* [ALSA - driver 0001495]: nForce2 IEC958 output is working when IEC958 control is muted.
@ 2005-10-23 22:16 bugtrack
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2005-10-23 22:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
The following issue has been SUBMITTED.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1495>
======================================================================
Reported By: damscot
Assigned To:
======================================================================
Project: ALSA - driver
Issue ID: 1495
Category: PCI - intel8x0
Reproducibility: always
Severity: minor
Priority: normal
Status: new
Distribution: Gentoo
Kernel Version: 2.6.12-gentoo-r1
======================================================================
Date Submitted: 10-24-2005 00:16 CEST
Last Modified: 10-24-2005 00:16 CEST
======================================================================
Summary: nForce2 IEC958 output is working when IEC958 control
is muted.
Description:
Good evening,
I'am using my MSI MEGA 180 under linux.
I'am using ALSA 1.0.9 Embedded inside the Linux ALSA kernel system.
***************************
*** USEFULL INFORMATION ***
***************************
<< lspci
0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97
Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.: Unknown device
7960
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
I/O ports at d400 [size=256]
I/O ports at d800 [size=128]
Memory at e1087000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
<< cat /proc/asound/version
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc2 (Thu Mar 24
10:33:39 2005 UTC).
<< cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [nForce2 ]: NFORCE - NVidia nForce2
NVidia nForce2 with ALC650F at 0xe1087000, irq 22
1 [Modem ]: ICH-MODEM - NVidia nForce2 Modem
NVidia nForce2 Modem at 0xe1080000, irq 22
<< cat /proc/asound/devices
18: [0- 2]: digital audio playback
25: [0- 1]: digital audio capture
16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback
24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture
0: [0- 0]: ctl
1: : sequencer
33: : timer
48: [1- 0]: digital audio playback
56: [1- 0]: digital audio capture
32: [1- 0]: ctl
<< cat /proc/asound/pcm
00-00: Intel ICH : NVidia nForce2 : playback 1 : capture 1
00-01: Intel ICH - MIC ADC : NVidia nForce2 - MIC ADC : capture 1
00-02: Intel ICH - IEC958 : NVidia nForce2 - IEC958 : playback 1
01-00: Intel ICH - Modem : NVidia nForce2 Modem - Modem : playback 1 :
capture 1
<< cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
0-0/0: Realtek ALC650F
Capabilities :
DAC resolution : 20-bit
ADC resolution : 18-bit
3D enhancement : Realtek 3D Stereo Enhancement
Current setup
Mic gain : +0dB [+0dB]
POP path : pre 3D
Sim. stereo : off
3D enhancement : on
Loudness : off
Mono output : MIX
Mic select : Mic1
ADC/DAC loopback : off
Double rate slots: 10/11
Extended ID : codec=0 rev=1 LDAC SDAC CDAC DSA=0 SPDIF DRA VRA
Extended status : SPCV LDAC SDAC CDAC SPDIF=10/11 VRA
PCM front DAC : 44100Hz
PCM Surr DAC : 44100Hz
PCM LFE DAC : 44100Hz
PCM ADC : 44100Hz
SPDIF Control : Consumer PCM Copyright Category=0x2 Generation=1
Rate=48kHz
SPDIF In Status : Not Locked
<< amixer | grep -A 5 IEC958
Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Capture channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [on] Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA',0
Capabilities: volume volume-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Limits: 0 - 3
Mono: 3 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Analog to IEC958 Output',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [off]
***************************
My SPDIF output is referenced as hw:0,2, the chipset is a nForce2 (then i
use the snd-intel8x0 driver), the AC97 device seems to be a Realtek
ALC650F.
while using a basic application to send samples to the spdif output ex:
<< aplay -f dat -c 2 -D hw:0,2 anybigfile.gz
I need to mute the IEC958 control in order to ear something from my
DTS/Digital decoder/amplifier.
It seems that the control function is inverted. The problem is that all
application, xmms (for each playing file), mplayer, xine try to unmute the
IEC958 control before starting to play. Then, I have to manually mute the
IEC958 control after lauching the media application to ear the sound.
======================================================================
Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
======================================================================
10-24-05 00:16 damscot New Issue
10-24-05 00:16 damscot Distribution => Gentoo
10-24-05 00:16 damscot Kernel Version => 2.6.12-gentoo-r1
======================================================================
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* [ALSA - driver 0001495]: nForce2 IEC958 output is working when IEC958 control is muted.
@ 2006-01-16 16:11 bugtrack
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2006-01-16 16:11 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1495>
======================================================================
Reported By: damscot
Assigned To:
======================================================================
Project: ALSA - driver
Issue ID: 1495
Category: PCI - intel8x0
Reproducibility: always
Severity: minor
Priority: normal
Status: new
Distribution: Gentoo
Kernel Version: 2.6.12-gentoo-r1
======================================================================
Date Submitted: 10-24-2005 00:16 CEST
Last Modified: 01-16-2006 17:11 CET
======================================================================
Summary: nForce2 IEC958 output is working when IEC958 control
is muted.
Description:
Good evening,
I'am using my MSI MEGA 180 under linux.
I'am using ALSA 1.0.9 Embedded inside the Linux ALSA kernel system.
***************************
*** USEFULL INFORMATION ***
***************************
<< lspci
0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97
Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.: Unknown device
7960
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
I/O ports at d400 [size=256]
I/O ports at d800 [size=128]
Memory at e1087000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
<< cat /proc/asound/version
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc2 (Thu Mar 24
10:33:39 2005 UTC).
<< cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [nForce2 ]: NFORCE - NVidia nForce2
NVidia nForce2 with ALC650F at 0xe1087000, irq 22
1 [Modem ]: ICH-MODEM - NVidia nForce2 Modem
NVidia nForce2 Modem at 0xe1080000, irq 22
<< cat /proc/asound/devices
18: [0- 2]: digital audio playback
25: [0- 1]: digital audio capture
16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback
24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture
0: [0- 0]: ctl
1: : sequencer
33: : timer
48: [1- 0]: digital audio playback
56: [1- 0]: digital audio capture
32: [1- 0]: ctl
<< cat /proc/asound/pcm
00-00: Intel ICH : NVidia nForce2 : playback 1 : capture 1
00-01: Intel ICH - MIC ADC : NVidia nForce2 - MIC ADC : capture 1
00-02: Intel ICH - IEC958 : NVidia nForce2 - IEC958 : playback 1
01-00: Intel ICH - Modem : NVidia nForce2 Modem - Modem : playback 1 :
capture 1
<< cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
0-0/0: Realtek ALC650F
Capabilities :
DAC resolution : 20-bit
ADC resolution : 18-bit
3D enhancement : Realtek 3D Stereo Enhancement
Current setup
Mic gain : +0dB [+0dB]
POP path : pre 3D
Sim. stereo : off
3D enhancement : on
Loudness : off
Mono output : MIX
Mic select : Mic1
ADC/DAC loopback : off
Double rate slots: 10/11
Extended ID : codec=0 rev=1 LDAC SDAC CDAC DSA=0 SPDIF DRA VRA
Extended status : SPCV LDAC SDAC CDAC SPDIF=10/11 VRA
PCM front DAC : 44100Hz
PCM Surr DAC : 44100Hz
PCM LFE DAC : 44100Hz
PCM ADC : 44100Hz
SPDIF Control : Consumer PCM Copyright Category=0x2 Generation=1
Rate=48kHz
SPDIF In Status : Not Locked
<< amixer | grep -A 5 IEC958
Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Capture channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [on] Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA',0
Capabilities: volume volume-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Limits: 0 - 3
Mono: 3 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Analog to IEC958 Output',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [off]
***************************
My SPDIF output is referenced as hw:0,2, the chipset is a nForce2 (then i
use the snd-intel8x0 driver), the AC97 device seems to be a Realtek
ALC650F.
while using a basic application to send samples to the spdif output ex:
<< aplay -f dat -c 2 -D hw:0,2 anybigfile.gz
I need to mute the IEC958 control in order to ear something from my
DTS/Digital decoder/amplifier.
It seems that the control function is inverted. The problem is that all
application, xmms (for each playing file), mplayer, xine try to unmute the
IEC958 control before starting to play. Then, I have to manually mute the
IEC958 control after lauching the media application to ear the sound.
======================================================================
----------------------------------------------------------------------
fearofcarpet - 01-16-06 17:11
----------------------------------------------------------------------
On the RealTek ALC950 the IEC958 settings correspond to "0: PCM, 1: Rear,
2: Center/LFE, 3: PCM/Modem" where 0 is 0 volume, 1 is 33% volume, etc.
Perhaps this is the case with the ALC650F also?
Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
======================================================================
10-24-05 00:16 damscot New Issue
10-24-05 00:16 damscot Distribution => Gentoo
10-24-05 00:16 damscot Kernel Version => 2.6.12-gentoo-r1
01-16-06 17:11 fearofcarpet Note Added: 0007689
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* [ALSA - driver 0001495]: nForce2 IEC958 output is working when IEC958 control is muted.
@ 2006-04-02 22:48 bugtrack
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2006-04-02 22:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1495>
======================================================================
Reported By: damscot
Assigned To:
======================================================================
Project: ALSA - driver
Issue ID: 1495
Category: PCI - intel8x0
Reproducibility: always
Severity: minor
Priority: normal
Status: new
Distribution: Gentoo
Kernel Version: 2.6.12-gentoo-r1
======================================================================
Date Submitted: 10-24-2005 00:16 CEST
Last Modified: 04-03-2006 00:48 CEST
======================================================================
Summary: nForce2 IEC958 output is working when IEC958 control
is muted.
Description:
Good evening,
I'am using my MSI MEGA 180 under linux.
I'am using ALSA 1.0.9 Embedded inside the Linux ALSA kernel system.
***************************
*** USEFULL INFORMATION ***
***************************
<< lspci
0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97
Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.: Unknown device
7960
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
I/O ports at d400 [size=256]
I/O ports at d800 [size=128]
Memory at e1087000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
<< cat /proc/asound/version
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc2 (Thu Mar 24
10:33:39 2005 UTC).
<< cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [nForce2 ]: NFORCE - NVidia nForce2
NVidia nForce2 with ALC650F at 0xe1087000, irq 22
1 [Modem ]: ICH-MODEM - NVidia nForce2 Modem
NVidia nForce2 Modem at 0xe1080000, irq 22
<< cat /proc/asound/devices
18: [0- 2]: digital audio playback
25: [0- 1]: digital audio capture
16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback
24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture
0: [0- 0]: ctl
1: : sequencer
33: : timer
48: [1- 0]: digital audio playback
56: [1- 0]: digital audio capture
32: [1- 0]: ctl
<< cat /proc/asound/pcm
00-00: Intel ICH : NVidia nForce2 : playback 1 : capture 1
00-01: Intel ICH - MIC ADC : NVidia nForce2 - MIC ADC : capture 1
00-02: Intel ICH - IEC958 : NVidia nForce2 - IEC958 : playback 1
01-00: Intel ICH - Modem : NVidia nForce2 Modem - Modem : playback 1 :
capture 1
<< cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
0-0/0: Realtek ALC650F
Capabilities :
DAC resolution : 20-bit
ADC resolution : 18-bit
3D enhancement : Realtek 3D Stereo Enhancement
Current setup
Mic gain : +0dB [+0dB]
POP path : pre 3D
Sim. stereo : off
3D enhancement : on
Loudness : off
Mono output : MIX
Mic select : Mic1
ADC/DAC loopback : off
Double rate slots: 10/11
Extended ID : codec=0 rev=1 LDAC SDAC CDAC DSA=0 SPDIF DRA VRA
Extended status : SPCV LDAC SDAC CDAC SPDIF=10/11 VRA
PCM front DAC : 44100Hz
PCM Surr DAC : 44100Hz
PCM LFE DAC : 44100Hz
PCM ADC : 44100Hz
SPDIF Control : Consumer PCM Copyright Category=0x2 Generation=1
Rate=48kHz
SPDIF In Status : Not Locked
<< amixer | grep -A 5 IEC958
Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Capture channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [on] Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA',0
Capabilities: volume volume-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Limits: 0 - 3
Mono: 3 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Analog to IEC958 Output',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [off]
***************************
My SPDIF output is referenced as hw:0,2, the chipset is a nForce2 (then i
use the snd-intel8x0 driver), the AC97 device seems to be a Realtek
ALC650F.
while using a basic application to send samples to the spdif output ex:
<< aplay -f dat -c 2 -D hw:0,2 anybigfile.gz
I need to mute the IEC958 control in order to ear something from my
DTS/Digital decoder/amplifier.
It seems that the control function is inverted. The problem is that all
application, xmms (for each playing file), mplayer, xine try to unmute the
IEC958 control before starting to play. Then, I have to manually mute the
IEC958 control after lauching the media application to ear the sound.
======================================================================
----------------------------------------------------------------------
fearofcarpet - 01-16-06 17:11
----------------------------------------------------------------------
On the RealTek ALC950 the IEC958 settings correspond to "0: PCM, 1: Rear,
2: Center/LFE, 3: PCM/Modem" where 0 is 0 volume, 1 is 33% volume, etc.
Perhaps this is the case with the ALC650F also?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
damscot - 04-03-06 00:48
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I develop a patch of the ac97_codec.c file in order to invert the bit
AC97_EA_SPDIF of the AC97_EXTENDED_STATUS register just in case of ALC650F
device. It is probably not the best place to set-up such patch, but i'am
not an expert in alsa development. I hope that an expert will be able to
integrate it in next version of alsa / linux kernel.
Currently the patch as been validated on alsa integrated with linux
2.6.14-gentoo kernel version.
to respond to "fearofcarpet", it seems that IEC958 volume is used to
control which ac97 slots are used to transmit SPDIF data.
Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
======================================================================
10-24-05 00:16 damscot New Issue
10-24-05 00:16 damscot Distribution => Gentoo
10-24-05 00:16 damscot Kernel Version => 2.6.12-gentoo-r1
01-16-06 17:11 fearofcarpet Note Added: 0007689
04-03-06 00:39 damscot File Added: ac97_codec.c
04-03-06 00:48 damscot Note Added: 0009074
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* [ALSA - driver 0001495]: nForce2 IEC958 output is working when IEC958 control is muted.
@ 2006-04-07 17:45 bugtrack
0 siblings, 0 replies; 4+ messages in thread
From: bugtrack @ 2006-04-07 17:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: alsa-devel
A NOTE has been added to this issue.
======================================================================
<https://bugtrack.alsa-project.org/alsa-bug/view.php?id=1495>
======================================================================
Reported By: damscot
Assigned To:
======================================================================
Project: ALSA - driver
Issue ID: 1495
Category: PCI - intel8x0
Reproducibility: always
Severity: minor
Priority: normal
Status: new
Distribution: Gentoo
Kernel Version: 2.6.12-gentoo-r1
======================================================================
Date Submitted: 10-24-2005 00:16 CEST
Last Modified: 04-07-2006 19:45 CEST
======================================================================
Summary: nForce2 IEC958 output is working when IEC958 control
is muted.
Description:
Good evening,
I'am using my MSI MEGA 180 under linux.
I'am using ALSA 1.0.9 Embedded inside the Linux ALSA kernel system.
***************************
*** USEFULL INFORMATION ***
***************************
<< lspci
0000:00:06.0 Multimedia audio controller: nVidia Corporation nForce2 AC97
Audio Controler (MCP) (rev a1)
Subsystem: Micro-Star International Co., Ltd.: Unknown device
7960
Flags: bus master, 66Mhz, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 22
I/O ports at d400 [size=256]
I/O ports at d800 [size=128]
Memory at e1087000 (32-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=4K]
Capabilities: [44] Power Management version 2
<< cat /proc/asound/version
Advanced Linux Sound Architecture Driver Version 1.0.9rc2 (Thu Mar 24
10:33:39 2005 UTC).
<< cat /proc/asound/cards
0 [nForce2 ]: NFORCE - NVidia nForce2
NVidia nForce2 with ALC650F at 0xe1087000, irq 22
1 [Modem ]: ICH-MODEM - NVidia nForce2 Modem
NVidia nForce2 Modem at 0xe1080000, irq 22
<< cat /proc/asound/devices
18: [0- 2]: digital audio playback
25: [0- 1]: digital audio capture
16: [0- 0]: digital audio playback
24: [0- 0]: digital audio capture
0: [0- 0]: ctl
1: : sequencer
33: : timer
48: [1- 0]: digital audio playback
56: [1- 0]: digital audio capture
32: [1- 0]: ctl
<< cat /proc/asound/pcm
00-00: Intel ICH : NVidia nForce2 : playback 1 : capture 1
00-01: Intel ICH - MIC ADC : NVidia nForce2 - MIC ADC : capture 1
00-02: Intel ICH - IEC958 : NVidia nForce2 - IEC958 : playback 1
01-00: Intel ICH - Modem : NVidia nForce2 Modem - Modem : playback 1 :
capture 1
<< cat /proc/asound/card0/codec97#0/ac97#0-0
0-0/0: Realtek ALC650F
Capabilities :
DAC resolution : 20-bit
ADC resolution : 18-bit
3D enhancement : Realtek 3D Stereo Enhancement
Current setup
Mic gain : +0dB [+0dB]
POP path : pre 3D
Sim. stereo : off
3D enhancement : on
Loudness : off
Mono output : MIX
Mic select : Mic1
ADC/DAC loopback : off
Double rate slots: 10/11
Extended ID : codec=0 rev=1 LDAC SDAC CDAC DSA=0 SPDIF DRA VRA
Extended status : SPCV LDAC SDAC CDAC SPDIF=10/11 VRA
PCM front DAC : 44100Hz
PCM Surr DAC : 44100Hz
PCM LFE DAC : 44100Hz
PCM ADC : 44100Hz
SPDIF Control : Consumer PCM Copyright Category=0x2 Generation=1
Rate=48kHz
SPDIF In Status : Not Locked
<< amixer | grep -A 5 IEC958
Simple mixer control 'IEC958',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined cswitch cswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Capture channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [on] Capture [off]
Simple mixer control 'IEC958 Playback AC97-SPSA',0
Capabilities: volume volume-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Limits: 0 - 3
Mono: 3 [100%]
Simple mixer control 'Analog to IEC958 Output',0
Capabilities: pswitch pswitch-joined
Playback channels: Mono
Mono: Playback [off]
***************************
My SPDIF output is referenced as hw:0,2, the chipset is a nForce2 (then i
use the snd-intel8x0 driver), the AC97 device seems to be a Realtek
ALC650F.
while using a basic application to send samples to the spdif output ex:
<< aplay -f dat -c 2 -D hw:0,2 anybigfile.gz
I need to mute the IEC958 control in order to ear something from my
DTS/Digital decoder/amplifier.
It seems that the control function is inverted. The problem is that all
application, xmms (for each playing file), mplayer, xine try to unmute the
IEC958 control before starting to play. Then, I have to manually mute the
IEC958 control after lauching the media application to ear the sound.
======================================================================
----------------------------------------------------------------------
damscot - 04-03-06 00:57
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The problem is more on ALC650F (AC97 Audio Codec) support rather than a
problem in intel8x0/nforce2 chipset (AC97 Controller). I develop a patch
of the ac97_codec.c (contact: damscot@yahoo.com) file in order to invert
the bit AC97_EA_SPDIF of the AC97_EXTENDED_STATUS register just in case of
ALC650F device. It is probably not the best place to set-up such patch,
but i'am not an expert in alsa development. I hope that an expert will be
able to integrate it in next version of alsa / linux kernel.
Currently the patch as been validated on alsa integrated with linux
2.6.14-gentoo kernel version.
to respond to "fearofcarpet", it seems that IEC958 volume is used to
control which ac97 slots are used to transmit SPDIF data.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
tiwai - 04-07-06 19:45
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What a hell, is the bit inverted?
I remember other ALC650 model works with the normal setting, so it's
likely a problem only on ALC650F.
Anyway, please post a patch instead of .c file.
Issue History
Date Modified Username Field Change
======================================================================
10-24-05 00:16 damscot New Issue
10-24-05 00:16 damscot Distribution => Gentoo
10-24-05 00:16 damscot Kernel Version => 2.6.12-gentoo-r1
01-16-06 17:11 fearofcarpet Note Added: 0007689
04-03-06 00:39 damscot File Added: ac97_codec.c
04-03-06 00:48 damscot Note Added: 0009074
04-03-06 00:51 damscot Note Edited: 0009074
04-03-06 00:57 damscot Note Edited: 0009074
04-07-06 19:45 tiwai Note Added: 0009153
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