From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: "Michel Dänzer" <michel.daenzer@mailbox.org>
Cc: "Sebastian Wick" <sebastian.wick@redhat.com>,
dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
"Ville Syrjälä" <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com>,
"Uma Shankar" <uma.shankar@intel.com>,
amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
"Harry Wentland" <harry.wentland@amd.com>,
"Joshua Ashton" <joshua@froggi.es>,
Vitaly.Prosyak@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/16] drm/amd/display: Don't restrict bpc to 8 bpc
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 11:01:28 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221214110128.1cd58dea@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <114c2e02-41c8-8576-f88d-1c50f41deb9e@mailbox.org>
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 18:20:59 +0100
Michel Dänzer <michel.daenzer@mailbox.org> wrote:
> On 12/12/22 19:21, Harry Wentland wrote:
> > This will let us pass kms_hdr.bpc_switch.
> >
> > I don't see any good reasons why we still need to
> > limit bpc to 8 bpc and doing so is problematic when
> > we enable HDR.
> >
> > If I remember correctly there might have been some
> > displays out there where the advertised link bandwidth
> > was not large enough to drive the default timing at
> > max bpc. This would leave to an atomic commit/check
> > failure which should really be handled in compositors
> > with some sort of fallback mechanism.
> >
> > If this somehow turns out to still be an issue I
> > suggest we add a module parameter to allow users to
> > limit the max_bpc to a desired value.
>
> While leaving the fallback for user space to handle makes some sense
> in theory, in practice most KMS display servers likely won't handle
> it.
>
> Another issue is that if mode validation is based on the maximum bpc
> value, it may reject modes which would work with lower bpc.
>
>
> What Ville (CC'd) suggested before instead (and what i915 seems to be
> doing already) is that the driver should do mode validation based on
> the *minimum* bpc, and automatically make the effective bpc lower
> than the maximum as needed to make the rest of the atomic state work.
A driver is always allowed to choose a bpc lower than max_bpc, so it
very well should do so when necessary due to *known* hardware etc.
limitations.
So things like mode validation cannot just look at a single max or min
bpc, but it needs to figure out if there is any usable bpc value that
makes the mode work.
The max_bpc knob exists only for the cases where the sink undetectably
malfunctions unless the bpc is artificially limited more than seems
necessary. That malfunction requires a human to detect, and reconfigure
their system as we don't have a quirk database for this I think.
The question of userspace wanting a specific bpc is a different matter
and an unsolved one. It also ties to userspace wanting to use the
current mode to avoid a mode switch between e.g. hand-off from firmware
boot splash to proper userspace. That's also unsolved AFAIK.
OTOH, we have the discussion that concluded as
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/612#note_1359898
which really puts userspace in charge of max_bpc, so the driver-chosen
default value does not have much impact as long as it makes the
firmware-chosen video mode to continue, as requested in
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/995
given that userspace cannot know what the actual bpc currently is nor
set the exact bpc to keep it the same.
Thanks,
pq
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Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-12-12 18:21 [PATCH 00/16] Enable Colorspace connector property in amdgpu Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 01/16] drm/display: Don't block HDR_OUTPUT_METADATA on unknown EOTF Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 02/16] drm/connector: print max_requested_bpc in state debugfs Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 03/16] drm/connector: Drop COLORIMETRY_NO_DATA Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 04/16] drm/connector: Convert DRM_MODE_COLORIMETRY to enum Harry Wentland
2022-12-13 10:39 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-13 16:41 ` Harry Wentland
2022-12-14 8:57 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 05/16] drm/connector: Pull out common create_colorspace_property code Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 06/16] drm/connector: Allow drivers to pass list of supported colorspaces Harry Wentland
2022-12-13 10:20 ` Jani Nikula
2022-12-13 10:23 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-13 16:32 ` Harry Wentland
2022-12-14 8:55 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-14 19:07 ` Harry Wentland
2022-12-14 19:37 ` Alex Deucher
2022-12-13 10:34 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-13 16:36 ` Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 07/16] drm/connector: Print connector colorspace in state debugfs Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 21:04 ` kernel test robot
2022-12-13 2:58 ` kernel test robot
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 08/16] drm/amd/display: Always pass connector_state to stream validation Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 09/16] drm/amd/display: Register Colorspace property for DP and HDMI Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 10/16] drm/amd/display: Set colorspace for HDMI infoframe Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 11/16] drm/amd/display: Send correct DP colorspace infopacket Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 12/16] drm/amd/display: Always set crtcinfo from create_stream_for_sink Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 13/16] drm/amd/display: Add support for explicit BT601_YCC Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 14/16] drm/amd/display: Add debugfs for testing output colorspace Harry Wentland
2022-12-13 10:35 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 15/16] drm/amd/display: Add default case for output_color_space switch Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 16/16] drm/amd/display: Don't restrict bpc to 8 bpc Harry Wentland
2022-12-13 10:48 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-13 17:20 ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-14 9:01 ` Pekka Paalanen [this message]
2022-12-14 15:46 ` Alex Deucher
2022-12-15 9:07 ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-15 17:30 ` Alex Deucher
2022-12-16 11:01 ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-15 9:17 ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-15 17:33 ` Alex Deucher
2022-12-15 17:42 ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-15 17:46 ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-23 19:10 ` Harry Wentland
2023-01-04 11:23 ` Michel Dänzer
2023-01-05 14:45 ` Sebastian Wick
2022-12-13 5:53 ` [PATCH 00/16] Enable Colorspace connector property in amdgpu Joshua Ashton
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