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From: Pekka Paalanen <ppaalanen@gmail.com>
To: "Michel Dänzer" <michel.daenzer@mailbox.org>
Cc: "Sebastian Wick" <sebastian.wick@redhat.com>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Ville Syrjälä" <ville.syrjala@linux.intel.com>,
	"Uma Shankar" <uma.shankar@intel.com>,
	amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org,
	"Harry Wentland" <harry.wentland@amd.com>,
	"Joshua Ashton" <joshua@froggi.es>,
	Vitaly.Prosyak@amd.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH 16/16] drm/amd/display: Don't restrict bpc to 8 bpc
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 11:01:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20221214110128.1cd58dea@eldfell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <114c2e02-41c8-8576-f88d-1c50f41deb9e@mailbox.org>

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On Tue, 13 Dec 2022 18:20:59 +0100
Michel Dänzer <michel.daenzer@mailbox.org> wrote:

> On 12/12/22 19:21, Harry Wentland wrote:
> > This will let us pass kms_hdr.bpc_switch.
> > 
> > I don't see any good reasons why we still need to
> > limit bpc to 8 bpc and doing so is problematic when
> > we enable HDR.
> > 
> > If I remember correctly there might have been some
> > displays out there where the advertised link bandwidth
> > was not large enough to drive the default timing at
> > max bpc. This would leave to an atomic commit/check
> > failure which should really be handled in compositors
> > with some sort of fallback mechanism.
> > 
> > If this somehow turns out to still be an issue I
> > suggest we add a module parameter to allow users to
> > limit the max_bpc to a desired value.  
> 
> While leaving the fallback for user space to handle makes some sense
> in theory, in practice most KMS display servers likely won't handle
> it.
> 
> Another issue is that if mode validation is based on the maximum bpc
> value, it may reject modes which would work with lower bpc.
> 
> 
> What Ville (CC'd) suggested before instead (and what i915 seems to be
> doing already) is that the driver should do mode validation based on
> the *minimum* bpc, and automatically make the effective bpc lower
> than the maximum as needed to make the rest of the atomic state work.

A driver is always allowed to choose a bpc lower than max_bpc, so it
very well should do so when necessary due to *known* hardware etc.
limitations.

So things like mode validation cannot just look at a single max or min
bpc, but it needs to figure out if there is any usable bpc value that
makes the mode work.

The max_bpc knob exists only for the cases where the sink undetectably
malfunctions unless the bpc is artificially limited more than seems
necessary. That malfunction requires a human to detect, and reconfigure
their system as we don't have a quirk database for this I think.

The question of userspace wanting a specific bpc is a different matter
and an unsolved one. It also ties to userspace wanting to use the
current mode to avoid a mode switch between e.g. hand-off from firmware
boot splash to proper userspace. That's also unsolved AFAIK.

OTOH, we have the discussion that concluded as
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/issues/612#note_1359898
which really puts userspace in charge of max_bpc, so the driver-chosen
default value does not have much impact as long as it makes the
firmware-chosen video mode to continue, as requested in
https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/-/merge_requests/995
given that userspace cannot know what the actual bpc currently is nor
set the exact bpc to keep it the same.


Thanks,
pq

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-14  9:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-12 18:21 [PATCH 00/16] Enable Colorspace connector property in amdgpu Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 01/16] drm/display: Don't block HDR_OUTPUT_METADATA on unknown EOTF Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 02/16] drm/connector: print max_requested_bpc in state debugfs Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 03/16] drm/connector: Drop COLORIMETRY_NO_DATA Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 04/16] drm/connector: Convert DRM_MODE_COLORIMETRY to enum Harry Wentland
2022-12-13 10:39   ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-13 16:41     ` Harry Wentland
2022-12-14  8:57       ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 05/16] drm/connector: Pull out common create_colorspace_property code Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 06/16] drm/connector: Allow drivers to pass list of supported colorspaces Harry Wentland
2022-12-13 10:20   ` Jani Nikula
2022-12-13 10:23   ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-13 16:32     ` Harry Wentland
2022-12-14  8:55       ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-14 19:07         ` Harry Wentland
2022-12-14 19:37         ` Alex Deucher
2022-12-13 10:34   ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-13 16:36     ` Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 07/16] drm/connector: Print connector colorspace in state debugfs Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 21:04   ` kernel test robot
2022-12-13  2:58   ` kernel test robot
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 08/16] drm/amd/display: Always pass connector_state to stream validation Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 09/16] drm/amd/display: Register Colorspace property for DP and HDMI Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 10/16] drm/amd/display: Set colorspace for HDMI infoframe Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 11/16] drm/amd/display: Send correct DP colorspace infopacket Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 12/16] drm/amd/display: Always set crtcinfo from create_stream_for_sink Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 13/16] drm/amd/display: Add support for explicit BT601_YCC Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 14/16] drm/amd/display: Add debugfs for testing output colorspace Harry Wentland
2022-12-13 10:35   ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 15/16] drm/amd/display: Add default case for output_color_space switch Harry Wentland
2022-12-12 18:21 ` [PATCH 16/16] drm/amd/display: Don't restrict bpc to 8 bpc Harry Wentland
2022-12-13 10:48   ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-13 17:20   ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-14  9:01     ` Pekka Paalanen [this message]
2022-12-14 15:46       ` Alex Deucher
2022-12-15  9:07         ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-15 17:30           ` Alex Deucher
2022-12-16 11:01           ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-15  9:17         ` Pekka Paalanen
2022-12-15 17:33           ` Alex Deucher
2022-12-15 17:42             ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-15 17:46               ` Michel Dänzer
2022-12-23 19:10       ` Harry Wentland
2023-01-04 11:23         ` Michel Dänzer
2023-01-05 14:45         ` Sebastian Wick
2022-12-13  5:53 ` [PATCH 00/16] Enable Colorspace connector property in amdgpu Joshua Ashton

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