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From: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
To: "Michel Dänzer" <michel.daenzer@mailbox.org>
Cc: "Brian Starkey" <brian.starkey@arm.com>,
	"Marek Olšák" <maraeo@gmail.com>,
	dri-devel <dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"amd-gfx mailing list" <amd-gfx@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	"ML Mesa-dev" <mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org>,
	nd@arm.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH] drm/fourcc: add LINEAR modifiers with an exact pitch alignment
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2025 23:48:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20250120214817.GA27438@pendragon.ideasonboard.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c64cb9d8-5ea7-4644-93c8-04a97b758fa0@mailbox.org>

On Tue, Dec 17, 2024 at 11:13:05AM +0100, Michel Dänzer wrote:
> On 2024-12-17 10:14, Brian Starkey wrote:
> > On Sun, Dec 15, 2024 at 03:53:14PM +0000, Marek Olšák wrote:
> >> The comment explains the problem with DRM_FORMAT_MOD_LINEAR.
> >>
> >> Signed-off-by: Marek Olšák <marek.olsak@amd.com>
> >>
> >> diff --git a/include/uapi/drm/drm_fourcc.h b/include/uapi/drm/drm_fourcc.h
> >> index 78abd819fd62e..8ec4163429014 100644
> >> --- a/include/uapi/drm/drm_fourcc.h
> >> +++ b/include/uapi/drm/drm_fourcc.h
> >> @@ -484,9 +484,27 @@ extern "C" {
> >>   * modifier (e.g. not setting DRM_MODE_FB_MODIFIERS in the DRM_ADDFB2 ioctl),
> >>   * which tells the driver to also take driver-internal information into account
> >>   * and so might actually result in a tiled framebuffer.
> >> + *
> >> + * WARNING:
> >> + * There are drivers out there that expose DRM_FORMAT_MOD_LINEAR, but only
> >> + * support a certain pitch alignment and can't import images with this modifier
> >> + * if the pitch alignment isn't exactly the one supported. They can however
> >> + * allocate images with this modifier and other drivers can import them only
> >> + * if they support the same pitch alignment. Thus, DRM_FORMAT_MOD_LINEAR is
> >> + * fundamentically incompatible across devices and is the only modifier that
> >> + * has a chance of not working. The PITCH_ALIGN modifiers should be used
> >> + * instead.
> >>   */
> >>  #define DRM_FORMAT_MOD_LINEAR  fourcc_mod_code(NONE, 0)
> >>
> >> +/* Linear layout modifiers with an explicit pitch alignment in bytes.
> >> + * Exposing this modifier requires that the pitch alignment is exactly
> >> + * the number in the definition.
> >> + */
> >> +#define DRM_FORMAT_MOD_LINEAR_PITCH_ALIGN_64B fourcc_mod_code(NONE, 1)
> > 
> > Why do we want this to be a modifier? All (?) of the other modifiers
> > describe properties which the producer and consumer need to know in
> > order to correctly fill/interpret the data.
> > 
> > Framebuffers already have a pitch property which tells the
> > producer/consumer how to do that for linear buffers.
> 
> At this point, the entity which allocates a linear buffer on device A
> to be shared with another device B can't know the pitch restrictions
> of B. If it guesses incorrectly, accessing the buffer with B won't
> work, so any effort allocating the buffer and producing its contents
> will be wasted.
> 
> > Modifiers are meant to describe framebuffers, and this pitch alignment
> > requirement isn't really a framebuffer property - it's a device
> > constraint. It feels out of place to overload modifiers with it.
> > 
> > I'm not saying we don't need a way to describe constraints to
> > allocators, but I question if modifiers the right mechanism to
> > communicate them?
>
> While I agree with your concern in general, AFAIK there's no other
> solution for this even on the horizon, after years of talking about
> it. The solution proposed here seems like an acceptable stop gap,
> assuming it won't result in a gazillion linear modifiers.

Flipping that argument, the reason why we still have no solution is
because we've constantly accepted stop-gap measures. Maybe it's time to
stop. It may feel a bit unfair to Marek that everybody until know got
away with hacks, but I don't think he would be left alone designing a
proper solution.

-- 
Regards,

Laurent Pinchart

  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-01-20 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 58+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-12-15 20:53 [PATCH] drm/fourcc: add LINEAR modifiers with an exact pitch alignment Marek Olšák
2024-12-15 20:54 ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-15 23:22   ` Joshua Ashton
2024-12-15 23:57     ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-16  2:08       ` Joshua Ashton
2024-12-16  5:40         ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-16  9:28           ` Dmitry Baryshkov
2024-12-16 21:49             ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-16  9:27 ` Michel Dänzer
2024-12-16 10:46   ` Lucas Stach
2024-12-16 14:53     ` Simona Vetter
2024-12-16 21:58       ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-18 10:21         ` Simona Vetter
2024-12-16 21:54     ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-17  9:59       ` Michel Dänzer
2024-12-16 21:29   ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-17  9:14     ` Michel Dänzer
2024-12-17  9:14 ` Brian Starkey
2024-12-17 10:13   ` Michel Dänzer
2024-12-17 11:03     ` Brian Starkey
2024-12-18  9:44       ` Michel Dänzer
2024-12-18 10:24         ` Simona Vetter
2024-12-18 10:32           ` Brian Starkey
2024-12-19  2:53             ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-19  9:09               ` Daniel Stone
2024-12-19 10:32               ` Brian Starkey
2024-12-20  0:33                 ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-20 11:30                   ` Brian Starkey
2024-12-20 14:24                     ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-20 15:27                       ` Simona Vetter
2024-12-19  9:02             ` Daniel Stone
2024-12-19 16:09               ` Michel Dänzer
2024-12-20 15:24                 ` Simona Vetter
2024-12-25  7:34                   ` Marek Olšák
2024-12-19 18:03               ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-10 21:23                 ` James Jones
2025-01-14  9:38                   ` Marek Olšák
2025-01-14 17:55                     ` James Jones
2025-01-15  3:49                       ` Marek Olšák
2025-01-14 17:58                     ` Daniel Stone
2025-01-15  4:05                       ` Marek Olšák
2025-01-15 12:20                         ` Daniel Stone
2025-01-17 14:18                           ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-18  2:37                             ` Marek Olšák
2025-01-20  7:58                               ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-20 18:41                                 ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-21 19:21                                   ` Marek Olšák
2025-01-22 10:47                                     ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-20 21:31                                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-01-21  9:02                                 ` Philipp Zabel
2025-01-14 18:33                     ` Faith Ekstrand
2025-01-15  4:27                       ` Marek Olšák
2025-01-15  8:37                       ` Simona Vetter
2025-01-20 22:00                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2025-01-21 22:40                     ` James Jones
2025-01-20 21:48     ` Laurent Pinchart [this message]
2025-01-14 13:46 ` Thomas Zimmermann
2025-01-14 13:50   ` Thomas Zimmermann

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