From: Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
Sebastian Sewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
daniel@iogearbox.net, bpf@vger.kernel.org, ast@kernel.org,
kafai@fb.com, songliubraving@fb.com, yhs@fb.com,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] BPF: Disable on PREEMPT_RT
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 07:49:36 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191018074936.36f15bd1@tagon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910181031040.1869@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>
On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:38:06 +0200 (CEST)
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Oct 2019, David Miller wrote:
>
> > From: Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>
> > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:49:17 -0500
> >
> > > BPF programs cannot loop and are limited to 4096 instructions.
> >
> > The limit was increased to 1 million not too long ago.
>
> Assuming a instruction/cycle ratio of 1.0 and a CPU frequency of 2GHz,
> that's 500us of preempt disabled time. Out of bounds by at least one order
> of magntiude for a lot of RT scenarios.
>
So if I do my arithmetic right, 4096 instructions would be around 2us. In
many cases that would just be noise, but there are some customer cases on
the horizon where 2us would be a significant fraction of their max latency.
Hmmm. A quick grep through the Kconfigs didn't show me a BPF config that
was set to a large numeric value (e.g. 1000000). Is the instruction limit
hard coded into the verifier/VM logic and if so, could we lift it out and
set a smaller limit for PREEMPT_RT? Not a silver bullet, but might be a
start, since it sounds like BPF code presumes it has the cpu for the duration
of a program run.
Clark
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-10-18 12:49 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-10-17 9:05 [PATCH] BPF: Disable on PREEMPT_RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-10-17 14:53 ` Daniel Borkmann
2019-10-17 15:40 ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-10-17 17:25 ` David Miller
2019-10-17 21:54 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 22:13 ` David Miller
2019-10-17 23:50 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 23:27 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-18 0:22 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18 5:52 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-18 11:28 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18 12:48 ` Sebastian Sewior
2019-10-18 23:05 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-20 9:06 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-22 1:43 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-18 2:49 ` Clark Williams
2019-10-18 4:57 ` David Miller
2019-10-18 5:54 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-18 8:38 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18 12:49 ` Clark Williams [this message]
2019-10-18 8:46 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18 12:43 ` Sebastian Sewior
2019-10-18 12:58 ` Clark Williams
2019-10-17 22:11 ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 22:23 ` David Miller
2019-10-17 17:26 ` David Miller
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