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From: Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>
To: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Sebastian Sewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	daniel@iogearbox.net, bpf@vger.kernel.org, ast@kernel.org,
	kafai@fb.com, songliubraving@fb.com, yhs@fb.com,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] BPF: Disable on PREEMPT_RT
Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 07:49:36 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20191018074936.36f15bd1@tagon> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.21.1910181031040.1869@nanos.tec.linutronix.de>

On Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:38:06 +0200 (CEST)
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de> wrote:

> On Thu, 17 Oct 2019, David Miller wrote:
> 
> > From: Clark Williams <williams@redhat.com>
> > Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 21:49:17 -0500
> >   
> > > BPF programs cannot loop and are limited to 4096 instructions.  
> > 
> > The limit was increased to 1 million not too long ago.  
> 
> Assuming a instruction/cycle ratio of 1.0 and a CPU frequency of 2GHz,
> that's 500us of preempt disabled time. Out of bounds by at least one order
> of magntiude for a lot of RT scenarios.
> 

So if I do my arithmetic right, 4096 instructions would be around 2us. In
many cases that would just be noise, but there are some customer cases on
the horizon where 2us would be a significant fraction of their max latency.

Hmmm. A quick grep through the Kconfigs didn't show me a BPF config that
was set to a large numeric value (e.g. 1000000). Is the instruction limit
hard coded into the verifier/VM logic and if so, could we lift it out and
set a smaller limit for PREEMPT_RT? Not a silver bullet, but might be a
start, since it sounds like BPF code presumes it has the cpu for the duration
of a program run. 

Clark

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  reply	other threads:[~2019-10-18 12:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2019-10-17  9:05 [PATCH] BPF: Disable on PREEMPT_RT Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-10-17 14:53 ` Daniel Borkmann
2019-10-17 15:40   ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2019-10-17 17:25     ` David Miller
2019-10-17 21:54       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 22:13         ` David Miller
2019-10-17 23:50           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 23:27         ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-18  0:22           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18  5:52             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-18 11:28               ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18 12:48                 ` Sebastian Sewior
2019-10-18 23:05                 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-20  9:06                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-22  1:43                     ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-18  2:49         ` Clark Williams
2019-10-18  4:57           ` David Miller
2019-10-18  5:54             ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-10-18  8:38             ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18 12:49               ` Clark Williams [this message]
2019-10-18  8:46           ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-18 12:43             ` Sebastian Sewior
2019-10-18 12:58             ` Clark Williams
2019-10-17 22:11       ` Thomas Gleixner
2019-10-17 22:23         ` David Miller
2019-10-17 17:26   ` David Miller

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