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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vadim Fedorenko <vadim.fedorenko@linux.dev>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	Mykola Lysenko <mykolal@fb.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v7 2/4] bpf: add bpf_cpu_cycles_to_ns helper
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:49:43 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241120084943.GB19989@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a2a219fb-ae89-42e0-b920-9a0704677930@linux.dev>

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 06:38:51AM -0800, Vadim Fedorenko wrote:
> On 19/11/2024 03:28, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 10:52:43AM -0800, Vadim Fedorenko wrote:
> > 
> > > +			if (insn->src_reg == BPF_PSEUDO_KFUNC_CALL &&
> > > +			    imm32 == BPF_CALL_IMM(bpf_cpu_cycles_to_ns) &&
> > > +			    cpu_feature_enabled(X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC)) {
> > > +				u32 mult, shift;
> > > +
> > > +				clocks_calc_mult_shift(&mult, &shift, tsc_khz, USEC_PER_SEC, 0);
> > > +				/* imul RAX, RDI, mult */
> > > +				maybe_emit_mod(&prog, BPF_REG_1, BPF_REG_0, true);
> > > +				EMIT2_off32(0x69, add_2reg(0xC0, BPF_REG_1, BPF_REG_0),
> > > +					    mult);
> > > +
> > > +				/* shr RAX, shift (which is less than 64) */
> > > +				maybe_emit_1mod(&prog, BPF_REG_0, true);
> > > +				EMIT3(0xC1, add_1reg(0xE8, BPF_REG_0), shift);
> > > +
> > > +				break;
> > > +			}
> > 
> > This is ludicrously horrible. Why are you using your own mult/shift and
> > not offset here instead of using the one from either sched_clock or
> > clocksource_tsc ?
> 
> With X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC, tsc_khz is actually constant after
> switching from tsc_early. And the very same call to
> clocks_calc_mult_shift() is used to create clocksource_tsc mult and
> shift constants. Unfortunately, clocksources don't have proper API to
> get the underlying info, that's why I have to calculate shift and mult
> values on my own.

There is cyc2ns_read_begin() / cyc2ns_read_end(), and you can use the
VDSO thing you do below.

> > And being totally inconsistent with your own alternative implementation
> > which uses the VDSO, which in turn uses clocksource_tsc:
> 
> With what I said above it is consistent with clocksource_tsc.
> 
> > 
> > > +__bpf_kfunc u64 bpf_cpu_cycles_to_ns(u64 cycles)
> > > +{
> > > +	const struct vdso_data *vd = __arch_get_k_vdso_data();
> > > +
> > > +	vd = &vd[CS_RAW];
> > > +	/* kfunc implementation does less manipulations than vDSO
> > > +	 * implementation. BPF use-case assumes two measurements are close
> > > +	 * in time and can simplify the logic.
> > > +	 */
> > > +	return mul_u64_u32_shr(cycles, vd->mult, vd->shift);
> > > +}
> > 
> > Also, if I'm not mistaken, the above is broken, you really should add
> > the offset, without it I don't think we guarantee the result is
> > monotonic.
> 
> Not quite sure how constant offset can affect monotonic guarantee of
> cycles, given that the main use case will be to calculate ns out of
> small deltas?

Well, when I read this patch I didn't know, because your changelogs
don't mention anything at all.


  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-20  8:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-18 18:52 [PATCH bpf-next v7 0/4] bpf: add cpu cycles kfuncss Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-18 18:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 1/4] bpf: add bpf_get_cpu_cycles kfunc Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 11:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-19 14:29     ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 16:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-19 18:03         ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 19:16           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-11-19 19:27             ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-18 18:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 2/4] bpf: add bpf_cpu_cycles_to_ns helper Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 11:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-19 14:38     ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-20  8:49       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-11-20 13:39         ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-18 18:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 3/4] selftests/bpf: add selftest to check rdtsc jit Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-18 18:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 4/4] selftests/bpf: add usage example for cpu cycles kfuncs Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 11:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-19 14:45     ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-20  8:51       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-20 17:19         ` Vadim Fedorenko

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