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From: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
To: Vadim Fedorenko <vadim.fedorenko@linux.dev>
Cc: Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
	Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
	Andrii Nakryiko <andrii@kernel.org>,
	Eduard Zingerman <eddyz87@gmail.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Yonghong Song <yonghong.song@linux.dev>,
	Mykola Lysenko <mykolal@fb.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, bpf@vger.kernel.org,
	Martin KaFai Lau <martin.lau@linux.dev>
Subject: Re: [PATCH bpf-next v7 4/4] selftests/bpf: add usage example for cpu cycles kfuncs
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2024 09:51:17 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20241120085117.GC19989@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <de9a2138-39ee-46ce-9838-f6d6a4dde747@linux.dev>

On Tue, Nov 19, 2024 at 06:45:57AM -0800, Vadim Fedorenko wrote:
> On 19/11/2024 03:47, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 18, 2024 at 10:52:45AM -0800, Vadim Fedorenko wrote:
> > 
> > > +int bpf_cpu_cycles(void)
> > > +{
> > > +	struct bpf_pidns_info pidns;
> > > +	__u64 start;
> > > +
> > > +	start = bpf_get_cpu_cycles();
> > > +	bpf_get_ns_current_pid_tgid(0, 0, &pidns, sizeof(struct bpf_pidns_info));
> > > +	cycles = bpf_get_cpu_cycles() - start;
> > > +	ns = bpf_cpu_cycles_to_ns(cycles);
> > > +	return 0;
> > > +}
> > 
> > Oh, the intent is to use that cycles_to_ns() on deltas. That wasn't at
> > all clear.
> 
> Yep, that's the main use case, it was discussed in the previous
> versions of the patchset.

Should bloody well be in the changelogs then. As is I'm tempted to NAK
the entire series because there is not a single word on WHY for any of
this.

> > Anyway, the above has more problems than just bad naming. TSC is
> > constant and not affected by DVFS, so depending on the DVFS state of
> > things your function will return wildly different readings.
> 
> Why should I care about DVFS? The use case is to measure the time spent
> in some code. If we replace it with bpf_ktime_get_ns(), it will also be
> affected by DVFS, and it's fine. We will be able to see the difference
> for different DVFS states.

Again, this goes to usage, why do you want this, what are you going to
do with the results?

Run-ro-run numbers will be absolutely useless because of DVFS.

  reply	other threads:[~2024-11-20  8:51 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-11-18 18:52 [PATCH bpf-next v7 0/4] bpf: add cpu cycles kfuncss Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-18 18:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 1/4] bpf: add bpf_get_cpu_cycles kfunc Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 11:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-19 14:29     ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 16:17       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-19 18:03         ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 19:16           ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-11-19 19:27             ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-18 18:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 2/4] bpf: add bpf_cpu_cycles_to_ns helper Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 11:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-19 14:38     ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-20  8:49       ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-20 13:39         ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-18 18:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 3/4] selftests/bpf: add selftest to check rdtsc jit Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-18 18:52 ` [PATCH bpf-next v7 4/4] selftests/bpf: add usage example for cpu cycles kfuncs Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-19 11:47   ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-11-19 14:45     ` Vadim Fedorenko
2024-11-20  8:51       ` Peter Zijlstra [this message]
2024-11-20 17:19         ` Vadim Fedorenko

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