From: Matthew Wilcox <willy@infradead.org>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
Andrii Nakryiko <andrii.nakryiko@gmail.com>,
Masami Hiramatsu <mhiramat@kernel.org>,
mingo@kernel.org, andrii@kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rostedt@goodmis.org,
oleg@redhat.com, jolsa@kernel.org, clm@meta.com,
bpf <bpf@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/10] perf/uprobe: Optimize uprobes
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2024 17:10:44 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <Zo1hBFS7c_J-Yx-7@casper.infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20240709142943.GL27299@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 04:29:43PM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 07:11:23AM -0700, Paul E. McKenney wrote:
> > On Tue, Jul 09, 2024 at 11:01:53AM +0200, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jul 08, 2024 at 05:25:14PM -0700, Andrii Nakryiko wrote:
> > >
> > > > Quick profiling for the 8-threaded benchmark shows that we spend >20%
> > > > in mmap_read_lock/mmap_read_unlock in find_active_uprobe. I think
> > > > that's what would prevent uprobes from scaling linearly. If you have
> > > > some good ideas on how to get rid of that, I think it would be
> > > > extremely beneficial.
> > >
> > > That's find_vma() and friends. I started RCU-ifying that a *long* time
> > > ago when I started the speculative page fault patches. I sorta lost
> > > track of that effort, Willy where are we with that?
Probably best to start with lock_vma_under_rcu() in mm/memory.c.
> > > Specifically, how feasible would it be to get a simple RCU based
> > > find_vma() version sorted these days?
> >
> > Liam's and Willy's Maple Tree work, combined with Suren's per-VMA locking
> > combined with some of Vlastimil's slab work is pushing in that direction.
> > I believe that things are getting pretty close.
>
> So I fundamentally do not believe in per-VMA locking. Specifically for
> this case that would be trading one hot line for another. I tried
> telling people that, but it doesn't seem to stick :/
SRCU also had its own performance problems, so we've got problems one
way or the other. The per-VMA lock probably doesn't work quite the way
you think it does, but it absoutely can be a hot cacheline.
I did propose a store-free variant at LSFMM 2022 and again at 2023,
but was voted down. https://lwn.net/Articles/932298/
I don't think the door is completely closed to a migration to that,
but it's a harder sell than what we've got. Of course, data helps ...
> Per VMA refcounts or per VMA locks are a complete fail IMO.
>
> I suppose I should go dig out the latest versions of those patches to
> see where they're at :/
Merged in v6.4 ;-P
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[not found] ` <20240709075651.122204f1358f9f78d1e64b62@kernel.org>
2024-07-09 0:25 ` [PATCH 00/10] perf/uprobe: Optimize uprobes Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-09 9:01 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-09 14:11 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-09 14:29 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-09 14:36 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-09 15:31 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-09 15:56 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-09 16:10 ` Matthew Wilcox [this message]
2024-07-09 16:30 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-09 16:57 ` Paul E. McKenney
2024-07-10 9:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-10 9:40 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-22 19:09 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-07-27 0:20 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-27 1:29 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-07-27 3:45 ` Matthew Wilcox
2024-07-30 3:18 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-30 13:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-30 18:10 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-08-03 5:47 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-08-03 8:53 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-08-04 23:22 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-08-06 4:08 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-08-06 14:50 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-08-06 17:40 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-08-06 17:44 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-08-07 1:36 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-08-07 5:13 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-08-07 17:49 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-08-07 18:04 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-08-07 18:30 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-08-07 18:33 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-08-08 0:47 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-30 13:46 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-30 18:16 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2024-07-09 16:42 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-09 9:03 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-09 10:01 ` Jiri Olsa
2024-07-09 10:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-09 22:10 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-07-10 10:10 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-10 14:56 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-07-10 18:40 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-11 8:51 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-11 15:17 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-07-11 15:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-11 17:47 ` Steven Rostedt
2024-07-11 23:59 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-07-10 0:55 ` Masami Hiramatsu
2024-07-09 21:47 ` Andrii Nakryiko
2024-07-10 10:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2024-07-10 12:34 ` Peter Zijlstra
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