[Bridge] Building a Raw Bridge

[Bridge] Building a Raw Bridge

[Michael Boutte]

I'm having trouble figuring out how to make a bridge that does not block 
forwarding of packets when there is no receive channel in the same 
bridge. The reason I want to do this is that the return path is via 
another circuit. The two directions are on two different radios. I would 
think this would be like the response given to someone in July 2007 
about setting a "hub" mode by setting the aging timer to 0. I tried that 
and it did not work.

I also tried a few schemes with ebtables without success either. Is 
there some relatively easy way to make the bridge forward everything and 
not cut off the transmit after a single packet?

/ Here is what one end of the link looks like.
//
//                   +-------------+
// ///      /// + eth0 +---+   bridge 1  +---+ wan0 ---> Transmit
//        |          +-------------+ 
//        |                          
//switch--+                          
//        |          +-------------+ 
//        + eth0 +---+   bridge 2  +---+ wan0 <--- Receive
//                   +-------------+
/
The WAN side uses a synchronous serial interface to the radios for 
satellite communications. The other end uses a single radio and bridge.

Mike Boutte

[Bridge] Building a Raw Bridge

[Michael Boutte]

Hi All,
I think the little diagram of the circuit became a mess when 
transmitted. How about this attempt? This is the hub of a hub and spoke 
topology and there is normally only one transmit and multiple receivers

Here is what one end of the link looks like.

                   +-------------+

        + eth0 +---+   bridge 1  +---+ wan0 ---> Transmit

        |          +-------------+ 
        |                          
switch--+                          
        |          +-------------+ 
        + eth0 +---+   bridge 2  +---+ wan0 <--- Receive

                   +-------------+


Mike Boutte

Re: [Bridge] Building a Raw Bridge

[Stephen Hemminger]

On Sat, 11 Apr 2009 08:54:21 -0700
Michael Boutte <maboutte@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I think the little diagram of the circuit became a mess when 
> transmitted. How about this attempt? This is the hub of a hub and spoke 
> topology and there is normally only one transmit and multiple receivers
> 
> Here is what one end of the link looks like.
> 
>                    +-------------+
> 
>         + eth0 +---+   bridge 1  +---+ wan0 ---> Transmit
> 
>         |          +-------------+ 
>         |                          
> switch--+                          
>         |          +-------------+ 
>         + eth0 +---+   bridge 2  +---+ wan0 <--- Receive
> 
>                    +-------------+
> 
> 
> Mike Boutte
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What you are doing is not really a bridge, so of course it
won't work.  If you need to glue devices together, and the
performance overhead isn't too high do it in user space.

Re: [Bridge] Building a Raw Bridge

[richardvoigt]

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What you described is a different interface for tx and rx.  What you've
drawn is separate tx and rx radios which are melded in the driver and expose
a single interface "wan0".  Which is it?  (If the drawing is correct, I
don't think you have a problem at all, aside from trying to use two bridges
when you need only one)

On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Michael Boutte <maboutte@pacbell.net>wrote:

> I'm having trouble figuring out how to make a bridge that does not block
> forwarding of packets when there is no receive channel in the same
> bridge. The reason I want to do this is that the return path is via
> another circuit. The two directions are on two different radios. I would
> think this would be like the response given to someone in July 2007
> about setting a "hub" mode by setting the aging timer to 0. I tried that
> and it did not work.
>
> I also tried a few schemes with ebtables without success either. Is
> there some relatively easy way to make the bridge forward everything and
> not cut off the transmit after a single packet?
>
> / Here is what one end of the link looks like.
> //
> //                   +-------------+
> // ///      /// + eth0 +---+   bridge 1  +---+ wan0 ---> Transmit
> //        |          +-------------+
> //        |
> //switch--+
> //        |          +-------------+
> //        + eth0 +---+   bridge 2  +---+ wan0 <--- Receive
> //                   +-------------+
> /
> The WAN side uses a synchronous serial interface to the radios for
> satellite communications. The other end uses a single radio and bridge.
>
> Mike Boutte
>
> _______________________________________________
> Bridge mailing list
> Bridge@lists.linux-foundation.org
> https://lists.linux-foundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bridge
>

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Re: [Bridge] Building a Raw Bridge

[Michael Boutte]

Richard,
The diagram may be deceiving. The real physical hardware consists of a 
separate embedded computer that is part of each radio. Each has an 
Ethernet port (eth0) and a synchronous hdlc port (wan0) and part of its 
purpose is to translate between the two mediums. In this one network 
configuration we want to use one radio to transmit to all remotes and 
one radio receive for each incoming signal from the remotes. At the hub 
site all of the radios with their embedded Linux computers would most 
likely be fed by a single switch.

I can make this work setting each of the embedded computers as a router, 
but the configuration of all of the units and computers at the remote 
sites becomes significantly more complex than using a bridge, and 
requires changes each time the network is changed. A pseudo "raw" bridge 
would be ideal because it is then almost plug and play. I also don't 
need to worry about filtering the packets because there is a separate 
device before the bridge/radio that handle routing and other processing.

I was simply hoping that there was some relatively easy method setting 
this up, perhaps with ebtables, that had the benefits of bridging 
without the complexity of routing.

Mike Boutte

richardvoigt@gmail.com wrote:
> What you described is a different interface for tx and rx.  What 
> you've drawn is separate tx and rx radios which are melded in the 
> driver and expose a single interface "wan0".  Which is it?  (If the 
> drawing is correct, I don't think you have a problem at all, aside 
> from trying to use two bridges when you need only one)
>
> On Sat, Apr 11, 2009 at 12:56 AM, Michael Boutte <maboutte@pacbell.net 
> <mailto:maboutte@pacbell.net>> wrote:
>
>     I'm having trouble figuring out how to make a bridge that does not
>     block
>     forwarding of packets when there is no receive channel in the same
>     bridge. The reason I want to do this is that the return path is via
>     another circuit. The two directions are on two different radios. I
>     would
>     think this would be like the response given to someone in July 2007
>     about setting a "hub" mode by setting the aging timer to 0. I
>     tried that
>     and it did not work.
>
>     I also tried a few schemes with ebtables without success either. Is
>     there some relatively easy way to make the bridge forward
>     everything and
>     not cut off the transmit after a single packet?
>
>     / Here is what one end of the link looks like.
>     //
>     //                   +-------------+
>     // ///      /// + eth0 +---+   bridge 1  +---+ wan0 ---> Transmit
>     //        |          +-------------+
>     //        |
>     //switch--+
>     //        |          +-------------+
>     //        + eth0 +---+   bridge 2  +---+ wan0 <--- Receive
>     //                   +-------------+
>     /
>     The WAN side uses a synchronous serial interface to the radios for
>     satellite communications. The other end uses a single radio and
>     bridge.
>
>     Mike Boutte
>
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