[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Alexey Brodkin]

Hi Thomas, Peter,

I'm wondering if that's an expected behavior or my NNTP reader is broken
(even though both Evolution's built-in reader and stand-alone Pan reader
behave exactly the same so probably it's not a client who's guilty).

So when reading Buildroot mailing list via NNTP client connected to Gmane
I see this kind of information in message source in Evolution's NNTP reader:
------------------------->8---------------------
Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail
From: Romain Naour <romain.naour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Newsgroups: gmane.comp.lib.uclibc.buildroot
Subject: [PATCH] package/luaposix: add .hash file
Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 23:39:40 +0200
Lines: 22
Approved: news at gmane.org
Message-ID: <1466113180-20892-1-git-send-email-romain.naour@gmail.com>
NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
------------------------->8---------------------

That's what Pan reader shows as an "Information" about the same article:
------------------------->8---------------------
Subject: [PATCH] package/luaposix: add .hash file
From: Romain Naour <romain.naour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Date: Thu 11:39 PM
Message-ID: <1466113180-20892-1-git-send-email-romain.naour@gmail.com>
Lines: 22
Size: 6.50195 KB (6658 Bytes)

This article is complete with 1 part.
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But interesting enough in Buildroot's mailing list
(http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2016-June/164199.html)
the header is:
------------------------->8---------------------
[Buildroot] [PATCH] package/luaposix: add .hash file

Romain Naour romain.naour at gmail.com?
Thu Jun 16 21:39:40 UTC 2016
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Similar behavior I notice in recently added uClibc-ng on Gmane but
for example eneric LKML has normal emails in NNTP readers, the same is true for
linux-snps, u-boot, lede/openwrt and many other lists.

Probably that's a matter of some configuration somewhere?
Otherwise with those wierd emails it's quite inconvenient to answer to
messages which were not sent to me directly - I have to specify all
email manually...

Any thoughts are much appreciated.

-Alexey

[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Peter Korsgaard]

>>>>> "Alexey" == Alexey Brodkin <Alexey.Brodkin@synopsys.com> writes:

 > Hi Thomas, Peter,
 > I'm wondering if that's an expected behavior or my NNTP reader is broken
 > (even though both Evolution's built-in reader and stand-alone Pan reader
 > behave exactly the same so probably it's not a client who's guilty).

 > So when reading Buildroot mailing list via NNTP client connected to Gmane
 > I see this kind of information in message source in Evolution's NNTP reader:
 -------------------------> 8---------------------
 > Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail
 > From: Romain Naour <romain.naour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

I believe that is an intentional feature of gmane to make it more
difficult to harvest email addresses:

http://gmane.org/tmda.php

According to that page, this is something you as a list maintainer can
control (but users can enforce it for their mails).

-- 
Venlig hilsen,
Peter Korsgaard 

[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Alexey Brodkin]

Hi Peter,

On Fri, 2016-06-17 at 10:52 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Alexey" == Alexey Brodkin <Alexey.Brodkin@synopsys.com> writes:
> ?> Hi Thomas, Peter,
> ?> I'm wondering if that's an expected behavior or my NNTP reader is broken
> ?> (even though both Evolution's built-in reader and stand-alone Pan reader
> ?> behave exactly the same so probably it's not a client who's guilty).
> 
> ?> So when reading Buildroot mailing list via NNTP client connected to Gmane
> ?> I see this kind of information in message source in Evolution's NNTP reader:
> ?-------------------------> 8---------------------
> ?> Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail
> ?> From: Romain Naour <romain.naour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> 
> I believe that is an intentional feature of gmane to make it more
> difficult to harvest email addresses:
> 
> http://gmane.org/tmda.php
> 
> According to that page, this is something you as a list maintainer can
> control (but users can enforce it for their mails).

So for Buildroot your guys intentionally enabled that feature?

Even though idea is nice still in the "original" Buildroot list
all emails are displayed as they are, see
http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2016-June/164199.html:
------------------------->8-----------------------
Romain Naour romain.naour at gmail.com?
------------------------->8-----------------------

Given that probably that's not much sense in doing email obfuscation
in Gmane? IMHO it adds more trouble for good people than adds problems
to bad guys.

-Alexey

[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Peter Korsgaard]

>>>>> "Alexey" == Alexey Brodkin <Alexey.Brodkin@synopsys.com> writes:

Hi,

 >> I believe that is an intentional feature of gmane to make it more
 >> difficult to harvest email addresses:
 >> 
 >> http://gmane.org/tmda.php
 >> 
 >> According to that page, this is something you as a list maintainer can
 >> control (but users can enforce it for their mails).

 > So for Buildroot your guys intentionally enabled that feature?

I think it is on by default - I at least don't recall explicitly
enabling it.

 > Even though idea is nice still in the "original" Buildroot list
 > all emails are displayed as they are, see
 > http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2016-June/164199.html:
 -------------------------> 8-----------------------
 > Romain Naour romain.naour at gmail.com?
 -------------------------> 8-----------------------

 > Given that probably that's not much sense in doing email obfuscation
 > in Gmane? IMHO it adds more trouble for good people than adds problems
 > to bad guys.

Notice that the obfuscated email addresses DO work. They simply get
forwarded through gmane's spam filter.

But yeah, it probably doesn't help much in combating spam.

-- 
Venlig hilsen,
Peter Korsgaard 

[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Waldemar Brodkorb]

Hi ALexey,
Alexey Brodkin wrote,

> Hi Peter,
> 
> On Fri, 2016-06-17 at 10:52 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > "Alexey" == Alexey Brodkin <Alexey.Brodkin@synopsys.com> writes:
> > ?> Hi Thomas, Peter,
> > ?> I'm wondering if that's an expected behavior or my NNTP reader is broken
> > ?> (even though both Evolution's built-in reader and stand-alone Pan reader
> > ?> behave exactly the same so probably it's not a client who's guilty).
> > 
> > ?> So when reading Buildroot mailing list via NNTP client connected to Gmane
> > ?> I see this kind of information in message source in Evolution's NNTP reader:
> > ?-------------------------> 8---------------------
> > ?> Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail
> > ?> From: Romain Naour <romain.naour-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
> > 
> > I believe that is an intentional feature of gmane to make it more
> > difficult to harvest email addresses:
> > 
> > http://gmane.org/tmda.php
> > 
> > According to that page, this is something you as a list maintainer can
> > control (but users can enforce it for their mails).
> 
> So for Buildroot your guys intentionally enabled that feature?
> 
> Even though idea is nice still in the "original" Buildroot list
> all emails are displayed as they are, see
> http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2016-June/164199.html:
> ------------------------->8-----------------------
> Romain Naour romain.naour at gmail.com?
> ------------------------->8-----------------------
> 
> Given that probably that's not much sense in doing email obfuscation
> in Gmane? IMHO it adds more trouble for good people than adds problems
> to bad guys.

I disabled address encryption for uClibc-ng mailinglist, does it work now for you?

best regards
 Waldemar

[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Alexey Brodkin]

Hi Waldemar,

On Wed, 2016-06-22 at 20:23 +0200, Waldemar Brodkorb wrote:
> Hi ALexey,
> Alexey Brodkin wrote,
> 
> > 
> > Hi Peter,
> > 
> > On Fri, 2016-06-17 at 10:52 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > >?
> I disabled address encryption for uClibc-ng mailinglist, does it work now for you?

Yep, now emails look as usual.
Thanks a lot! IMHO it really helps.

-Alexey

[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Alexey Brodkin]

Hi Peter,

On Sat, 2016-06-18 at 10:46 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Alexey" == Alexey Brodkin <Alexey.Brodkin@synopsys.com> writes:
> Hi,
> 
> ?>> I believe that is an intentional feature of gmane to make it more
> ?>> difficult to harvest email addresses:
> ?>>?
> ?>> http://gmane.org/tmda.php
> ?>>?
> ?>> According to that page, this is something you as a list maintainer can
> ?>> control (but users can enforce it for their mails).
> 
> ?> So for Buildroot your guys intentionally enabled that feature?
> 
> I think it is on by default - I at least don't recall explicitly
> enabling it.
> 
> ?> Even though idea is nice still in the "original" Buildroot list
> ?> all emails are displayed as they are, see
> ?> http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/buildroot/2016-June/164199.html:
> ?-------------------------> 8-----------------------
> ?> Romain Naour romain.naour at gmail.com?
> ?-------------------------> 8-----------------------
> 
> ?> Given that probably that's not much sense in doing email obfuscation
> ?> in Gmane? IMHO it adds more trouble for good people than adds problems
> ?> to bad guys.
> 
> Notice that the obfuscated email addresses DO work. They simply get
> forwarded through gmane's spam filter.
> 
> But yeah, it probably doesn't help much in combating spam.

So any plan to disable that for BR on Gmane if it barely adds anything meaningful :)

-Alexey

[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Peter Korsgaard]

>>>>> "Alexey" == Alexey Brodkin <Alexey.Brodkin@synopsys.com> writes:

Hi,

 >> Notice that the obfuscated email addresses DO work. They simply get
 >> forwarded through gmane's spam filter.
 >> 
 >> But yeah, it probably doesn't help much in combating spam.

 > So any plan to disable that for BR on Gmane if it barely adds
 > anything meaningful :)

I can take a look at disabling it. What is the problem about it?

-- 
Venlig hilsen,
Peter Korsgaard 

[Buildroot] Emails being substituted when reading via Gmane NNTP

[Alexey Brodkin]

Hi Peter,

On Fri, 2016-06-24 at 22:16 +0200, Peter Korsgaard wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Alexey" == Alexey Brodkin <Alexey.Brodkin@synopsys.com> writes:
> Hi,
> 
> ?>> Notice that the obfuscated email addresses DO work. They simply get
> ?>> forwarded through gmane's spam filter.
> ?>>?
> ?>> But yeah, it probably doesn't help much in combating spam.
> 
> ?> So any plan to disable that for BR on Gmane if it barely adds
> ?> anything meaningful :)
> 
> I can take a look at disabling it. What is the problem about it?

It's not a problem really but inconvenience when using NNTP messages for
answering to the list.

IMHO it's nice and convenient to have in Sent folder of my mailer uniform emails
of addressees like "Peter Korsgaard <peter@korsgaard.com>" instead of
"Peter Korsgaard <peter-+2lRwdCCLRT2eFz/2MeuCQ@public.gmane.org>".

Plus as it is said here?http://gmane.org/tmda.php:
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While it's difficult for me to promise that your encrypted address
will work forever, I have no plans for limiting the use of these addresses.
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So at some point there's a chance these obfuscated emails may stop to work.
It's unlikely to happen but still I prefer to have more control on what I'm sending
and where.

-Alexey