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* [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line
@ 2013-09-05 18:24 Yann E. MORIN
  2013-09-05 18:24 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 2/2] docs/manual: crosstool-NG backend is deprecated Yann E. MORIN
  2013-09-05 18:51 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line Thomas De Schampheleire
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Yann E. MORIN @ 2013-09-05 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: buildroot

From: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>

In case there are many arguments passed to the tools, the command line
can get very long, and difficult to parse visually.

For example, the Linux kernel passes a lot of arguments to gcc (at least
45, which gives 53 with our hard-coded args). Looking at such a command
line is daunting.

So, add the possibility to print each argument on its own line.

Also, enclose all args between single quotes, so the command line
can be safely copy-pasted without special chars (spaces, $) being
inrerpreted by the shell.

Add blurb about toolchain-wrapper to documentation at the same
time.

Signed-off-by: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
Acked-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
Tested-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
---
 docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt                | 11 ++++++++++
 .../toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c     | 25 +++++++++++++++-------
 2 files changed, 28 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)

diff --git a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
index 811a6dc..587fccc 100644
--- a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
+++ b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
@@ -17,6 +17,17 @@ generate it.
 It also requires to set the Buildroot settings according to the toolchain ones
 (see xref:external-toolchain-backend[]).
 
+When using an external toolchain, Buildroot generates a wrapper program, that
+passes the appropriate options (accordingly to the configuration) to the
+external toolchain programs. In case you need to debug this wrapper, you can
+set the environment variable BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER to either one of:
+
+* +0+, empty or not set: no debug
+
+* +1+: trace all arguments on a single line
+
+* +2+: trace one argument per line
+
 Using the internal Buildroot toolchain backend
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
diff --git a/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c b/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
index 565e36b..dfdfcff 100644
--- a/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
+++ b/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
@@ -74,7 +74,8 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
 	char *relbasedir, *absbasedir;
 	char *progpath = argv[0];
 	char *basename;
-	int ret, i, count = 0;
+	char *env_debug;
+	int ret, i, count = 0, debug;
 
 	/* Calculate the relative paths */
 	basename = strrchr(progpath, '/');
@@ -157,13 +158,21 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
 	/* finish with NULL termination */
 	*cur = NULL;
 
-	if (getenv("BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER")) {
-		fprintf(stderr, "Executing");
-
-		for (i = 0; args[i]; i++)
-			fprintf(stderr, " %s", args[i]);
-
-		fprintf(stderr, "\n");
+	/* Debug the wrapper to see actual arguments passed to
+	 * the compiler:
+	 * unset, empty, or 0: do not trace
+	 * set to 1          : trace all arguments on a single line
+	 * set to 2          : trace one argument per line
+	 */
+	if ((env_debug = getenv("BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER"))) {
+		debug = atoi(env_debug);
+		if (debug > 0) {
+			fprintf(stderr, "Toolchain wrapper executing:");
+			for (i = 0; args[i]; i++)
+				fprintf(stderr, "%s'%s'",
+					(debug == 2)?"\n    ":" ", args[i]);
+			fprintf(stderr, "\n");
+		}
 	}
 
 	if (execv(path, args))
-- 
1.8.1.2

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* [Buildroot] [PATCH 2/2] docs/manual: crosstool-NG backend is deprecated
  2013-09-05 18:24 [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line Yann E. MORIN
@ 2013-09-05 18:24 ` Yann E. MORIN
  2013-09-05 18:51 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line Thomas De Schampheleire
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Yann E. MORIN @ 2013-09-05 18:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: buildroot

From: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>

Te crosstool-NG backend is deprecated.

Let it live one more cycle before we kill it for good, since the internal
backend has now gained the ability to build toolchains based on the three
C libraries that matter: uClibc, glibc and eglibc.

People that still want to use a crosstool-NG-built toolchain can do so
outside of Buildroot, and use the resulting toolchain with the external
toolchain backend.

Signed-off-by: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
---
 docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt | 5 +++++
 1 file changed, 5 insertions(+)

diff --git a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
index 587fccc..3ffecfa 100644
--- a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
+++ b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
@@ -56,3 +56,8 @@ limited set of settings under the Buildroot +Toolchain+ menu:
 * Gdb and some toolchain options
 
 Then, the toolchain can be fine-tuned by invoking +make ctng-menuconfig+.
+
+*Note*: the crosstool-NG wrapper is deprecated. If you want to use
+http://crosstool-ng.org[crosstool-NG] to build your toolchain, please do
+so outside of Buildroot, and use the resulting toolchain as an external
+toolchain (see above).
-- 
1.8.1.2

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* [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line
  2013-09-05 18:24 [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line Yann E. MORIN
  2013-09-05 18:24 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 2/2] docs/manual: crosstool-NG backend is deprecated Yann E. MORIN
@ 2013-09-05 18:51 ` Thomas De Schampheleire
  2013-09-06  9:39   ` Yann E. MORIN
  1 sibling, 1 reply; 7+ messages in thread
From: Thomas De Schampheleire @ 2013-09-05 18:51 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: buildroot

On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Yann E. MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr> wrote:
> From: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
>
> In case there are many arguments passed to the tools, the command line
> can get very long, and difficult to parse visually.
>
> For example, the Linux kernel passes a lot of arguments to gcc (at least
> 45, which gives 53 with our hard-coded args). Looking at such a command
> line is daunting.
>
> So, add the possibility to print each argument on its own line.
>
> Also, enclose all args between single quotes, so the command line
> can be safely copy-pasted without special chars (spaces, $) being
> inrerpreted by the shell.
>
> Add blurb about toolchain-wrapper to documentation at the same
> time.
>
> Signed-off-by: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
> Acked-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
> Tested-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
> ---
>  docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt                | 11 ++++++++++
>  .../toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c     | 25 +++++++++++++++-------
>  2 files changed, 28 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
> index 811a6dc..587fccc 100644
> --- a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
> +++ b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
> @@ -17,6 +17,17 @@ generate it.
>  It also requires to set the Buildroot settings according to the toolchain ones
>  (see xref:external-toolchain-backend[]).
>
> +When using an external toolchain, Buildroot generates a wrapper program, that
> +passes the appropriate options (accordingly to the configuration) to the

This should be 'according to ...'
The word accordingly is used in a sentence like: 'Buildroot reads the
configuration options and calls the external toolchain programs
accordingly'.

> +external toolchain programs. In case you need to debug this wrapper, you can
> +set the environment variable BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER to either one of:
> +
> +* +0+, empty or not set: no debug
> +
> +* +1+: trace all arguments on a single line
> +
> +* +2+: trace one argument per line
> +
>  Using the internal Buildroot toolchain backend
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> diff --git a/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c b/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
> index 565e36b..dfdfcff 100644
> --- a/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
> +++ b/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
> @@ -74,7 +74,8 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
>         char *relbasedir, *absbasedir;
>         char *progpath = argv[0];
>         char *basename;
> -       int ret, i, count = 0;
> +       char *env_debug;
> +       int ret, i, count = 0, debug;
>
>         /* Calculate the relative paths */
>         basename = strrchr(progpath, '/');
> @@ -157,13 +158,21 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
>         /* finish with NULL termination */
>         *cur = NULL;
>
> -       if (getenv("BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER")) {
> -               fprintf(stderr, "Executing");
> -
> -               for (i = 0; args[i]; i++)
> -                       fprintf(stderr, " %s", args[i]);
> -
> -               fprintf(stderr, "\n");
> +       /* Debug the wrapper to see actual arguments passed to
> +        * the compiler:
> +        * unset, empty, or 0: do not trace
> +        * set to 1          : trace all arguments on a single line
> +        * set to 2          : trace one argument per line
> +        */
> +       if ((env_debug = getenv("BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER"))) {
> +               debug = atoi(env_debug);
> +               if (debug > 0) {
> +                       fprintf(stderr, "Toolchain wrapper executing:");
> +                       for (i = 0; args[i]; i++)
> +                               fprintf(stderr, "%s'%s'",
> +                                       (debug == 2)?"\n    ":" ", args[i]);
> +                       fprintf(stderr, "\n");
> +               }
>         }
>
>         if (execv(path, args))
> --
> 1.8.1.2
>

Best regards,
Thomas

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* [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line
  2013-09-05 18:51 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line Thomas De Schampheleire
@ 2013-09-06  9:39   ` Yann E. MORIN
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Yann E. MORIN @ 2013-09-06  9:39 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: buildroot

Thomas, All,

On 2013-09-05 20:51 +0200, Thomas De Schampheleire spake thusly:
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 8:24 PM, Yann E. MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr> wrote:
> > From: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
> > +When using an external toolchain, Buildroot generates a wrapper program, that
> > +passes the appropriate options (accordingly to the configuration) to the
> 
> This should be 'according to ...'
> The word accordingly is used in a sentence like: 'Buildroot reads the
> configuration options and calls the external toolchain programs
> accordingly'.

Yeah, yeah, right. :-) Will fix.

Thank you!

Regards,
Yann E. MORIN.

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* [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line
  2013-09-20 22:00 [Buildroot] [pull request] Pull request for branch yem/misc-updates Yann E. MORIN
@ 2013-09-20 22:00 ` Yann E. MORIN
  2013-09-22  8:40   ` Samuel Martin
  2013-09-23  7:34   ` Peter Korsgaard
  0 siblings, 2 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Yann E. MORIN @ 2013-09-20 22:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: buildroot

From: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>

In case there are many arguments passed to the tools, the command line
can get very long, and difficult to parse visually.

For example, the Linux kernel passes a lot of arguments to gcc (at least
45, which gives 53 with our hard-coded args). Looking at such a command
line is daunting.

So, add the possibility to print each argument on its own line.

Also, enclose all args between single quotes, so the command line
can be safely copy-pasted without special chars (spaces, $) being
inrerpreted by the shell.

Add blurb about toolchain-wrapper to documentation at the same
time.

Signed-off-by: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
Cc: Thomas De Schampheleire <patrickdepinguin@gmail.com>
Acked-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
Tested-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
---
 docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt                | 11 ++++++++++
 .../toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c     | 25 +++++++++++++++-------
 2 files changed, 28 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)

diff --git a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
index 811a6dc..82ecc28 100644
--- a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
+++ b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
@@ -17,6 +17,17 @@ generate it.
 It also requires to set the Buildroot settings according to the toolchain ones
 (see xref:external-toolchain-backend[]).
 
+When using an external toolchain, Buildroot generates a wrapper program, that
+passes the appropriate options (according to the configuration) to the
+external toolchain programs. In case you need to debug this wrapper, you can
+set the environment variable BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER to either one of:
+
+* +0+, empty or not set: no debug
+
+* +1+: trace all arguments on a single line
+
+* +2+: trace one argument per line
+
 Using the internal Buildroot toolchain backend
 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
 
diff --git a/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c b/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
index 565e36b..dfdfcff 100644
--- a/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
+++ b/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
@@ -74,7 +74,8 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
 	char *relbasedir, *absbasedir;
 	char *progpath = argv[0];
 	char *basename;
-	int ret, i, count = 0;
+	char *env_debug;
+	int ret, i, count = 0, debug;
 
 	/* Calculate the relative paths */
 	basename = strrchr(progpath, '/');
@@ -157,13 +158,21 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
 	/* finish with NULL termination */
 	*cur = NULL;
 
-	if (getenv("BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER")) {
-		fprintf(stderr, "Executing");
-
-		for (i = 0; args[i]; i++)
-			fprintf(stderr, " %s", args[i]);
-
-		fprintf(stderr, "\n");
+	/* Debug the wrapper to see actual arguments passed to
+	 * the compiler:
+	 * unset, empty, or 0: do not trace
+	 * set to 1          : trace all arguments on a single line
+	 * set to 2          : trace one argument per line
+	 */
+	if ((env_debug = getenv("BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER"))) {
+		debug = atoi(env_debug);
+		if (debug > 0) {
+			fprintf(stderr, "Toolchain wrapper executing:");
+			for (i = 0; args[i]; i++)
+				fprintf(stderr, "%s'%s'",
+					(debug == 2)?"\n    ":" ", args[i]);
+			fprintf(stderr, "\n");
+		}
 	}
 
 	if (execv(path, args))
-- 
1.8.1.2

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* [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line
  2013-09-20 22:00 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line Yann E. MORIN
@ 2013-09-22  8:40   ` Samuel Martin
  2013-09-23  7:34   ` Peter Korsgaard
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Samuel Martin @ 2013-09-22  8:40 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: buildroot

2013/9/21 Yann E. MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>

> From: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
>
> In case there are many arguments passed to the tools, the command line
> can get very long, and difficult to parse visually.
>
> For example, the Linux kernel passes a lot of arguments to gcc (at least
> 45, which gives 53 with our hard-coded args). Looking at such a command
> line is daunting.
>
> So, add the possibility to print each argument on its own line.
>
> Also, enclose all args between single quotes, so the command line
> can be safely copy-pasted without special chars (spaces, $) being
> inrerpreted by the shell.
>
> Add blurb about toolchain-wrapper to documentation at the same
> time.
>
> Signed-off-by: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
> Cc: Thomas De Schampheleire <patrickdepinguin@gmail.com>
> Acked-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
> Tested-by: Luca Ceresoli <luca@lucaceresoli.net>
>
Acked-by: Samuel Martin <s.martin49@gmail.com>

> ---
>  docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt                | 11 ++++++++++
>  .../toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c     | 25
> +++++++++++++++-------
>  2 files changed, 28 insertions(+), 8 deletions(-)
>
> diff --git a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
> b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
> index 811a6dc..82ecc28 100644
> --- a/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
> +++ b/docs/manual/customize-toolchain.txt
> @@ -17,6 +17,17 @@ generate it.
>  It also requires to set the Buildroot settings according to the toolchain
> ones
>  (see xref:external-toolchain-backend[]).
>
> +When using an external toolchain, Buildroot generates a wrapper program,
> that
> +passes the appropriate options (according to the configuration) to the
> +external toolchain programs. In case you need to debug this wrapper, you
> can
> +set the environment variable BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER to either one of:
> +
> +* +0+, empty or not set: no debug
> +
> +* +1+: trace all arguments on a single line
> +
> +* +2+: trace one argument per line
> +
>  Using the internal Buildroot toolchain backend
>  ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> diff --git a/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
> b/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
> index 565e36b..dfdfcff 100644
> --- a/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
> +++ b/toolchain/toolchain-external/ext-toolchain-wrapper.c
> @@ -74,7 +74,8 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
>         char *relbasedir, *absbasedir;
>         char *progpath = argv[0];
>         char *basename;
> -       int ret, i, count = 0;
> +       char *env_debug;
> +       int ret, i, count = 0, debug;
>
>         /* Calculate the relative paths */
>         basename = strrchr(progpath, '/');
> @@ -157,13 +158,21 @@ int main(int argc, char **argv)
>         /* finish with NULL termination */
>         *cur = NULL;
>
> -       if (getenv("BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER")) {
> -               fprintf(stderr, "Executing");
> -
> -               for (i = 0; args[i]; i++)
> -                       fprintf(stderr, " %s", args[i]);
> -
> -               fprintf(stderr, "\n");
> +       /* Debug the wrapper to see actual arguments passed to
> +        * the compiler:
> +        * unset, empty, or 0: do not trace
> +        * set to 1          : trace all arguments on a single line
> +        * set to 2          : trace one argument per line
> +        */
> +       if ((env_debug = getenv("BR_DEBUG_WRAPPER"))) {
> +               debug = atoi(env_debug);
> +               if (debug > 0) {
> +                       fprintf(stderr, "Toolchain wrapper executing:");
> +                       for (i = 0; args[i]; i++)
> +                               fprintf(stderr, "%s'%s'",
> +                                       (debug == 2)?"\n    ":" ",
> args[i]);
> +                       fprintf(stderr, "\n");
> +               }
>         }
>
>         if (execv(path, args))
> --
> 1.8.1.2
>
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Regards,

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* [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line
  2013-09-20 22:00 ` [Buildroot] [PATCH 1/2] toolchain/wrapper: add option to print one argument per line Yann E. MORIN
  2013-09-22  8:40   ` Samuel Martin
@ 2013-09-23  7:34   ` Peter Korsgaard
  1 sibling, 0 replies; 7+ messages in thread
From: Peter Korsgaard @ 2013-09-23  7:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: buildroot

>>>>> "Yann" == Yann E MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr> writes:

 Yann> From: "Yann E. MORIN" <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
 Yann> In case there are many arguments passed to the tools, the command line
 Yann> can get very long, and difficult to parse visually.

 Yann> For example, the Linux kernel passes a lot of arguments to gcc (at least
 Yann> 45, which gives 53 with our hard-coded args). Looking at such a command
 Yann> line is daunting.

 Yann> So, add the possibility to print each argument on its own line.

 Yann> Also, enclose all args between single quotes, so the command line
 Yann> can be safely copy-pasted without special chars (spaces, $) being
 Yann> inrerpreted by the shell.

 Yann> Add blurb about toolchain-wrapper to documentation at the same
 Yann> time.

Committed with minor code style changes, thanks.

-- 
Bye, Peter Korsgaard

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