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From: Yann E. MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr>
To: buildroot@busybox.net
Subject: [Buildroot] [PATCH v4] linux-headers: allow use of headers from kernel "package" selected
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 22:47:04 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160118214704.GA3380@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87y4bn6y5s.fsf@dell.be.48ers.dk>

Peter, Karoly, All,

On 2016-01-18 10:21 +0100, Peter Korsgaard spake thusly:
> >>>>> "Yann" == Yann E MORIN <yann.morin.1998@free.fr> writes:
> 
>  > Karoly, All,
>  > Reviving this old one that is still pending in Patchwork...
> 
>  > On 2015-03-01 18:17 +0100, Karoly Kasza spake thusly:
>  >> This change makes it possible to use exactly the same sources for both
>  >> headers during toolchain building and for kernel building itself, even
>  >> if custom kernel is selected.
>  >> 
>  >> That way users can be sure that ABI mismatch won't happen between toolchain
>  >> and kernel.
> 
>  > So, I'll try to summarise what we have for now:
>  >   - select kernel headers version and select kernel version (separately)
>  >   - select kernel headers version, also used as kernel version.
>  > What you want to add with this patch is:
>  >   - select kernel version, also used as kernel headers version.
>  > In fact, I think that the second case we already have (headers version
>  > implies kernel version) is a bit weird. Surely, I would have expected
>  > something reversed, like "kernel version implies headers version", which
>  > this patch is trying to provide.
> 
> I think part of the reason we have it this way is purely historical

Yes, it is purely historical.

> (E.G. we had support for building a toolchain a lot earlier than we had
> a generic way of building a Linux kernel, and for a long time we would
> always build an internal toolchain, but building a kernel is optional),
> but also because the kernel headers option comes before the Linux
> option, so you would need to go and enable the Linux kernel and then go
> back and change the kernel headers option.

Indeed, it does not seem like it would be very user-friendly... :-/

> The question is also what do about the kernel headers option if you go
> and disable building a Linux kernel?
> 
> Perhaps we can find good solutions to these questions, but all in all,
> I'm not sure it is worth it. What we have today is functionally
> equivalent, even though it is perhaps a bit backwards for certain use
> cases.

Yes, it *is* functionally equivalent. It just looks weird that you have
to define the kernel version after (as 'as a conseuence of) the headers
version, since logically, it is the opposite that one would want.

However, as you said, it would not be very practical to implement that
in a user-friendly way:
  - on one hand, it seems totally more logical to define the toolchain
    options before enblign a kernel,
  - on the other hand, the kernel headers version is very dependent on
    the running kernel version.

Chicken'n'egg problem... :-(

So, do we agree that we should drop this patch?

Regards,
Yann E. MORIN.

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  reply	other threads:[~2016-01-18 21:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-03-01 17:17 [Buildroot] [PATCH v4] linux-headers: allow use of headers from kernel "package" selected Karoly Kasza
2015-03-04 22:37 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2015-03-12 14:07   ` Алексей Бродкин
2016-01-09 17:29 ` Yann E. MORIN
2016-01-18  9:21   ` Peter Korsgaard
2016-01-18 21:47     ` Yann E. MORIN [this message]
2016-01-18 21:50       ` Peter Korsgaard
2016-01-18 22:03       ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-01-18 22:13         ` Yann E. MORIN
2016-01-18 22:21           ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-01-18 22:21         ` Peter Korsgaard
2016-01-18 22:24           ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-01-19  8:21             ` Peter Korsgaard
2016-01-19 10:18               ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-01-19 10:29                 ` Peter Korsgaard
2016-01-19 10:31                   ` Thomas Petazzoni
2016-01-19 10:37                     ` Peter Korsgaard
2016-01-19 17:22                       ` Yann E. MORIN
2016-01-18 17:42   ` Arnout Vandecappelle
2016-01-19  7:25     ` Алексей Бродкин
2016-01-19 20:10 ` Yann E. MORIN

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