[Buildroot] why to have separate uboot-tools?

[Buildroot] why to have separate uboot-tools?

[Jan Pohanka]

Hi all,

currently I'm trying to customize buildroot a bit to allow it to be used 
by my colleagues as a base of their development environment.
I have noticed that there is separate package for u-boot-tools (mkimage, 
etc.) Can please someone tell me why these tools are not installed from 
u-boot package defined in bootloaders section?

Once we use our own u-boot with its own tools (uflash from TI) I need to 
alter two packages and also u-boot sources are downloaded two times.
I can prepare a patch to use just u-boot in bootloaders section, but the 
question is if it is not worthless...

thanks
Jan

[Buildroot] why to have separate uboot-tools?

[Gustavo Zacarias]

On 06/24/2013 07:55 AM, Jan Pohanka wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> currently I'm trying to customize buildroot a bit to allow it to be used
> by my colleagues as a base of their development environment.
> I have noticed that there is separate package for u-boot-tools (mkimage,
> etc.) Can please someone tell me why these tools are not installed from
> u-boot package defined in bootloaders section?
> 
> Once we use our own u-boot with its own tools (uflash from TI) I need to
> alter two packages and also u-boot sources are downloaded two times.
> I can prepare a patch to use just u-boot in bootloaders section, but the
> question is if it is not worthless...

Hi.
Because maybe you are just building an uImage and not the bootloader for
your target?
Hence saving time building a complete bootloader and (also) maybe you
lack the customized bootloader source to build a complete target which
would preclude you from building just the tools which don't have
board-specific bits. (not saying this is nice, but it happens sometimes)
Regards.

[Buildroot] why to have separate uboot-tools?

[Jan Pohanka]

Dne 24.6.2013 13:15, Gustavo Zacarias napsal(a):
> On 06/24/2013 07:55 AM, Jan Pohanka wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> currently I'm trying to customize buildroot a bit to allow it to be used
>> by my colleagues as a base of their development environment.
>> I have noticed that there is separate package for u-boot-tools (mkimage,
>> etc.) Can please someone tell me why these tools are not installed from
>> u-boot package defined in bootloaders section?
>>
>> Once we use our own u-boot with its own tools (uflash from TI) I need to
>> alter two packages and also u-boot sources are downloaded two times.
>> I can prepare a patch to use just u-boot in bootloaders section, but the
>> question is if it is not worthless...
> Hi.
> Because maybe you are just building an uImage and not the bootloader for
> your target?
> Hence saving time building a complete bootloader and (also) maybe you
> lack the customized bootloader source to build a complete target which
> would preclude you from building just the tools which don't have
> board-specific bits. (not saying this is nice, but it happens sometimes)
> Regards.
>
Hi,
I'm reconsidering it once again and it seems that current approach is 
probably the best... anyway thank you for answer.

regards

[Buildroot] why to have separate uboot-tools?

[Arnout Vandecappelle]

On 24/06/13 12:55, Jan Pohanka wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> currently I'm trying to customize buildroot a bit to allow it to be used
> by my colleagues as a base of their development environment.
> I have noticed that there is separate package for u-boot-tools (mkimage,
> etc.) Can please someone tell me why these tools are not installed from
> u-boot package defined in bootloaders section?

  uboot-tools are the tools for the _target_, e.g. fw_printenv and 
friends. mkimage is sometimes also useful on the target.

  For the host, it would be possible to use the tools from uboot instead, 
but for consistency it is just the host version of the uboot-tools package.

  Note also that it is possible and sometimes useful to build uboot-tools 
when you don't actually build U-boot. For instance, many devboards have 
U-boot in SPI flash so you don't need to build it.

> Once we use our own u-boot with its own tools (uflash from TI) I need to
> alter two packages and also u-boot sources are downloaded two times.
> I can prepare a patch to use just u-boot in bootloaders section, but the
> question is if it is not worthless...

  Indeed, it would be nice if it would be possible to have uboot-tools 
reuse the source of uboot itself (if uboot is selected). However, we 
currently have no infrastructure to do that. I think there has been a 
patch on the list to implement such a reuse of the source code, but it 
was considered too much of a hack.

  When/if the out-of-tree build directory packages by Thomas are 
accepted, it would be much easier/cleaner to rewrite the uboot-tools 
package to use the uboot source.


  Regards,
  Arnout


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