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From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>,
	"David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Farhad Alemi <farhad.alemi@berkeley.edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Farhad Alemi <falemi@asu.edu>, Yury Norov <ynorov@nvidia.com>,
	Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>,
	Rakie Kim <rakie.kim@sk.com>, Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
	Ying Huang <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] cgroup/cpuset: rebind mm mempolicy to effective_mems, not mems_allowed
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2026 22:26:09 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <70f486ce-5ef6-4d72-8cc3-7086f4eea930@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ai_IHvyptWPcTD0y@gourry-fedora-PF4VCD3F>


On 6/15/26 5:38 AM, Gregory Price wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 10:08:51AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>> On 6/14/26 15:25, Farhad Alemi wrote:
>>> diff --git a/kernel/cgroup/cpuset.c b/kernel/cgroup/cpuset.c
>>> --- a/kernel/cgroup/cpuset.c
>>> +++ b/kernel/cgroup/cpuset.c
>>> @@ -2649,7 +2649,7 @@ void cpuset_update_tasks_nodemask(struct cpuset *cs)
>>>
>>>   		migrate = is_memory_migrate(cs);
>>>
>>> -		mpol_rebind_mm(mm, &cs->mems_allowed);
>>> +		mpol_rebind_mm(mm, &cs->effective_mems);
>> God this is confusing.
>>
> All interactions between mempolicy and cpuset are horrible and
> confusing.  Much like Lorenzo's anon_vma work, I have to keep
> notes on how this whole thing doesn't just spew SIGBUS constantly.
>
> The short answer is: mempolicy is advisory and cpuset is strictly
> followed - in a dispute cpuset wins... except for file backed memory,
> then everyon loses and nothing is consistent.

That is what I believe why mpol_rebind_mm() a bit differently from the 
others and it is historically done this way a long time ago before 
cgroup v2.

For cgroup v1, mems_allowed can't be empty or you can't put any task 
into the cpuset. Also effective_mems is the same as mems_allowed. cgroup 
v2 is quite different in how it handles memory nodes and CPUs. Users can 
isn't forced to set mems_allowed and cpus_allowed as effective_mems and 
effective_cpus will inherit parent version if mems_allowed and 
cpus_allowed are not set. IOW, effective_mems will never be empty. Yes, 
it is a bug with the introduction of cpuset v2 that we should have 
replaced mems_allowed by effective_mems at that time. With v2, 
effective_mems should contain only online nodes. The only exception is 
during the short transition period when a memory node hotunplug 
operation is in progress when a write to cpuset.mems is happening at the 
same time. With v1, it is theoretically possible that none of the nodes 
in mems_allowed is online.

The reason why I am suggesting to use cs->effective_mems to keep the old 
cgroup v1 behavior. If the consensus is to use the output of 
guarantee_online_mems() for mpol_rebind_mm(), I will not be against that 
but it will be a slight change in user-visible behavior.

Cheers, Longman

>> Naturally I wonder: Why are we not using "task->mems_allowed" (maybe cs vs. tsk
>> was the original bug?), which is effectively just newmems?
>>
> Short answer: task->mems_allowed is protected by the task lock and we
> don't hold the task lock for a foreign task (not-current) over mm
> operations.
>
> Long answer: Reasons and "Stop looking at the spaghetti, it's going to
> break"
>
> ~Gregory
>


  parent reply	other threads:[~2026-06-16  2:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-28 19:03 [PATCH] mm: don't allow empty relative nodemask in mpol_relative_nodemask() Yury Norov
2026-05-28 19:37 ` Waiman Long
2026-05-28 19:40   ` Yury Norov
2026-05-28 19:37 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-28 19:41 ` Andrew Morton
2026-05-29 15:26   ` Joshua Hahn
2026-05-29 17:47     ` Yury Norov
2026-05-29 18:40       ` Joshua Hahn
2026-06-01 14:32       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02  8:44         ` Gregory Price
2026-06-02  9:19           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02  9:54             ` Gregory Price
2026-06-02 15:01               ` Farhad Alemi
2026-06-05 15:18                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-09 23:57                   ` [PATCH] cgroup/cpuset: rebind mm mempolicy to effective_mems, not mems_allowed Farhad Alemi
2026-06-10  0:53                     ` Andrew Morton
2026-06-10 11:34                     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-11  2:50                     ` Waiman Long
2026-06-14 13:25                     ` [PATCH v2] " Farhad Alemi
2026-06-15  8:08                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-15  9:38                         ` Gregory Price
2026-06-15 11:08                           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-15 11:19                             ` Gregory Price
2026-06-15 11:39                               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-16  2:26                           ` Waiman Long [this message]
2026-06-16  3:43                             ` Waiman Long
2026-06-16  6:59                               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-16 13:44                                 ` Gregory Price
2026-06-16 15:27                                   ` Waiman Long
2026-06-16 15:23                                 ` Waiman Long
2026-06-18  8:41                                   ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-16  3:44                       ` Waiman Long
2026-05-29  8:47 ` [PATCH] mm: don't allow empty relative nodemask in mpol_relative_nodemask() kernel test robot
2026-05-29  8:58 ` kernel test robot
2026-05-29 12:45 ` kernel test robot
2026-05-29 12:47 ` kernel test robot
2026-06-01 14:06 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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