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From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Gregory Price <gourry@gourry.net>,
	"David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
Cc: Farhad Alemi <farhad.alemi@berkeley.edu>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Farhad Alemi <falemi@asu.edu>, Yury Norov <ynorov@nvidia.com>,
	Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>, Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>,
	Matthew Brost <matthew.brost@intel.com>,
	Rakie Kim <rakie.kim@sk.com>, Byungchul Park <byungchul@sk.com>,
	Ying Huang <ying.huang@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Alistair Popple <apopple@nvidia.com>,
	Rasmus Villemoes <linux@rasmusvillemoes.dk>,
	linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] cgroup/cpuset: rebind mm mempolicy to effective_mems, not mems_allowed
Date: Mon, 15 Jun 2026 23:43:26 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c1495b1b-9dee-4cd5-ac8e-eeb7a2d968ed@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <70f486ce-5ef6-4d72-8cc3-7086f4eea930@redhat.com>

On 6/15/26 10:26 PM, Waiman Long wrote:
>
> On 6/15/26 5:38 AM, Gregory Price wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 15, 2026 at 10:08:51AM +0200, David Hildenbrand (Arm) wrote:
>>> On 6/14/26 15:25, Farhad Alemi wrote:
>>>> diff --git a/kernel/cgroup/cpuset.c b/kernel/cgroup/cpuset.c
>>>> --- a/kernel/cgroup/cpuset.c
>>>> +++ b/kernel/cgroup/cpuset.c
>>>> @@ -2649,7 +2649,7 @@ void cpuset_update_tasks_nodemask(struct 
>>>> cpuset *cs)
>>>>
>>>>           migrate = is_memory_migrate(cs);
>>>>
>>>> -        mpol_rebind_mm(mm, &cs->mems_allowed);
>>>> +        mpol_rebind_mm(mm, &cs->effective_mems);
>>> God this is confusing.
>>>
>> All interactions between mempolicy and cpuset are horrible and
>> confusing.  Much like Lorenzo's anon_vma work, I have to keep
>> notes on how this whole thing doesn't just spew SIGBUS constantly.
>>
>> The short answer is: mempolicy is advisory and cpuset is strictly
>> followed - in a dispute cpuset wins... except for file backed memory,
>> then everyon loses and nothing is consistent.
>
> That is what I believe why mpol_rebind_mm() a bit differently from the 
> others and it is historically done this way a long time ago before 
> cgroup v2.
>
> For cgroup v1, mems_allowed can't be empty or you can't put any task 
> into the cpuset. Also effective_mems is the same as mems_allowed. 
> cgroup v2 is quite different in how it handles memory nodes and CPUs. 
> Users can isn't forced to set mems_allowed and cpus_allowed as 
> effective_mems and effective_cpus will inherit parent version if 
> mems_allowed and cpus_allowed are not set. IOW, effective_mems will 
> never be empty. Yes, it is a bug with the introduction of cpuset v2 
> that we should have replaced mems_allowed by effective_mems at that 
> time. With v2, effective_mems should contain only online nodes. The 
> only exception is during the short transition period when a memory 
> node hotunplug operation is in progress when a write to cpuset.mems is 
> happening at the same time. With v1, it is theoretically possible that 
> none of the nodes in mems_allowed is online.
>
> The reason why I am suggesting to use cs->effective_mems to keep the 
> old cgroup v1 behavior. If the consensus is to use the output of 
> guarantee_online_mems() for mpol_rebind_mm(), I will not be against 
> that but it will be a slight change in user-visible behavior. 

BTW, I still prefer the v2 patch. If it is decided we should use the 
guarantee_online_mems() value instead, it will have to be a separate 
patch with changes in the relevant documentation like 
Documentation/admin-guide/cgroup-v1/cpuset.rst.

Cheers,
Longman


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-16  3:43 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-28 19:03 [PATCH] mm: don't allow empty relative nodemask in mpol_relative_nodemask() Yury Norov
2026-05-28 19:37 ` Waiman Long
2026-05-28 19:40   ` Yury Norov
2026-05-28 19:37 ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-05-28 19:41 ` Andrew Morton
2026-05-29 15:26   ` Joshua Hahn
2026-05-29 17:47     ` Yury Norov
2026-05-29 18:40       ` Joshua Hahn
2026-06-01 14:32       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02  8:44         ` Gregory Price
2026-06-02  9:19           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-02  9:54             ` Gregory Price
2026-06-02 15:01               ` Farhad Alemi
2026-06-05 15:18                 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-09 23:57                   ` [PATCH] cgroup/cpuset: rebind mm mempolicy to effective_mems, not mems_allowed Farhad Alemi
2026-06-10  0:53                     ` Andrew Morton
2026-06-10 11:34                     ` Gregory Price
2026-06-11  2:50                     ` Waiman Long
2026-06-14 13:25                     ` [PATCH v2] " Farhad Alemi
2026-06-15  8:08                       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-15  9:38                         ` Gregory Price
2026-06-15 11:08                           ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-15 11:19                             ` Gregory Price
2026-06-15 11:39                               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-16  2:26                           ` Waiman Long
2026-06-16  3:43                             ` Waiman Long [this message]
2026-06-16  6:59                               ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-16 13:44                                 ` Gregory Price
2026-06-16 15:27                                   ` Waiman Long
2026-06-16 15:23                                 ` Waiman Long
2026-06-16  3:44                       ` Waiman Long
2026-05-29  8:47 ` [PATCH] mm: don't allow empty relative nodemask in mpol_relative_nodemask() kernel test robot
2026-05-29  8:58 ` kernel test robot
2026-05-29 12:45 ` kernel test robot
2026-05-29 12:47 ` kernel test robot
2026-06-01 14:06 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)

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