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From: Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>
To: Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>
Cc: Jing Wu <realwujing@gmail.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	cgroups@vger.kernel.org, Qiliang Yuan <yuanql9@chinatelecom.cn>
Subject: Re: [PATCH-next 00/23] cgroup/cpuset: Enable runtime update of nohz_full and managed_irq CPUs
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2026 14:56:34 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <fe35dd41-7068-4cf0-9ee9-eb9c12017b42@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <akUii2CyEi7SRid7@localhost.localdomain>

On 7/1/26 10:22 AM, Frederic Weisbecker wrote:
> Le Thu, Jun 25, 2026 at 01:27:54AM -0400, Waiman Long a écrit :
>> On 6/24/26 2:34 AM, Jing Wu wrote:
>>>     3. Are there specific patches in your series where you would welcome
>>>        our contribution directly?
>> I have broken down the shutdown callback into separate portions as suggested
>> by Thomas. The other major change that I am working on is to try to shutdown
>> to only CPUHP_AP_OFFLINE state instead of all the way down to CPUHP_OFFLINE.
> What was the reason for that already? Can we perhaps ask the user to offline
> the target CPUs before toggling isolation on them?
The major problem about fully offlining the CPU is the CPU hotplug stop 
machine mechanism which put all the CPUs except the CPU to be offlined 
in a waiting loop within the IPI handler when the offline CPU is 
transitioning from CPUHP_TEARDOWN_CPU to  CPUHP_AP_IDLE_DEAD. If there 
is another active isolated partition running DPDK, for instance, it will 
break the low latency guarantee for a short duration.
>> That will require some adjustments to the nohz_full related hotplug
>> functions. I have some ideas of what needs to be done. However, I haven't
>> looked into RCU yet. I know RCU support changing the nocb mask for fully
>> offline CPUs, I will need to find out if it possible to do that for
>> partially offline CPUs.
> No because callbacks can still be enqueued at this stage. But we could
> manage to make it work with CPUHP_AP_IDLE_DEAD.

If we can only go as high as CPUHP_AP_IDLE_DEAD, we may as well go down 
all the way to CPUHP_OFFLINE as stop machine should be done at 
CPUHP_AP_IDLE_DEAD. In that case, we may have to break RCU out from 
HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE and add a cpuset control switch for the system 
administrators to decide if they are willing to suffer a brief latency 
spike for an existing isolated partition or keep the RCU housekeeping 
mask unchanged to avoid that when creating a new or destroying an old 
isolated partition.

Cheers,
Longman

>
> Thanks.
>


  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-01 18:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-04-21  3:03 [PATCH-next 00/23] cgroup/cpuset: Enable runtime update of nohz_full and managed_irq CPUs Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 01/23] sched/isolation: Add HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE_BOOT & HK_TYPE_MANAGED_IRQ_BOOT Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 02/23] sched/isolation: Enhance housekeeping_update() to support updating more than one HK cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-22  6:39   ` Chen Ridong
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 03/23] tick/nohz: Make nohz_full parameter optional Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:32   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:14     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-24 15:57       ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 04/23] tick/nohz: Allow runtime changes in full dynticks CPUs Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:50   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:24     ` Waiman Long
2026-05-13 13:04     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 05/23] tick: Pass timer tick job to an online HK CPU in tick_cpu_dying() Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:55   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:22     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 06/23] rcu/nocbs: Allow runtime changes in RCU NOCBS cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 07/23] watchdog: Sync up with runtime change of isolated CPUs Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 08/23] arm64: topology: Use RCU to protect access to HK_TYPE_TICK cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-22  9:34   ` Chen Ridong
2026-05-13 16:19   ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 09/23] workqueue: Use RCU to protect access of HK_TYPE_TIMER cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 10/23] cpu: " Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:57   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:25     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 11/23] hrtimer: " Waiman Long
2026-04-21  8:59   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 12/23] net: Use boot time housekeeping cpumask settings for now Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 13/23] sched/core: Use RCU to protect access of HK_TYPE_KERNEL_NOISE cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 14/23] hwmon/coretemp: Use RCU to protect access of HK_TYPE_MISC cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 15/23] Drivers: hv: Use RCU to protect access of HK_TYPE_MANAGED_IRQ cpumask Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 16/23] genirq/cpuhotplug: " Waiman Long
2026-04-21  9:02   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 14:29     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 17/23] sched/isolation: Extend housekeeping_dereference_check() to cover changes in nohz_full or manged_irqs cpumasks Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 18/23] cpu/hotplug: Add a new cpuhp_offline_cb() API Waiman Long
2026-04-21 16:17   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21 17:29     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21 18:43       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 19/23] cgroup/cpuset: Improve check for calling housekeeping_update() Waiman Long
2026-04-23  1:10   ` Chen Ridong
2026-04-24 18:32     ` Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 20/23] cgroup/cpuset: Enable runtime update of HK_TYPE_{KERNEL_NOISE,MANAGED_IRQ} cpumasks Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 21/23] cgroup/cpuset: Limit the side effect of using CPU hotplug on isolated partition Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 22/23] cgroup/cpuset: Prevent offline_disabled CPUs from being used in " Waiman Long
2026-04-21  3:03 ` [PATCH 23/23] cgroup/cpuset: Documentation and kselftest updates Waiman Long
2026-06-24  6:34 ` [PATCH-next 00/23] cgroup/cpuset: Enable runtime update of nohz_full and managed_irq CPUs Jing Wu
2026-06-25  5:27   ` Waiman Long
2026-07-01 14:22     ` Frederic Weisbecker
2026-07-01 18:56       ` Waiman Long [this message]
2026-07-02  3:39         ` Jing Wu
2026-07-02 15:00       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-07-02 23:07         ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-07-03  6:11           ` Jing Wu

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