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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org
Cc: kyle-hoO6YkzgTuCM0SS3m2neIg@public.gmane.org,
	bastian-yyjItF7Rl6lg9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org,
	ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org,
	hpa-YMNOUZJC4hwAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org,
	xemul-GEFAQzZX7r8dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org,
	alan-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 09/10] Enable multiple instances of devpts
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2008 10:29:51 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20080929152951.GA32518@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080929151828.GA10202-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Quoting sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org (sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org):
> Serge E. Hallyn [serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org] wrote:
> | Quoting sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org (sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org):
> | > | > @@ -232,6 +246,8 @@ static int devpts_show_options(struct seq_file *seq, struct vfsmount *vfs)
> | > | >  	seq_printf(seq, ",mode=%03o", opts->mode);
> | > | >  #ifdef CONFIG_DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES
> | > | >  	seq_printf(seq, ",ptmxmode=%03o", opts->ptmxmode);
> | > | > +	if (opts->newinstance)
> | > | > +		seq_printf(seq, ",newinstance");
> | > | 
> | > | Is actually that something we want to show?  It doesn't seem
> | > | informative.
> | > 
> | > Without this users have no easy way of knowing whether they have a 
> | > private mount specially if they mounted from command line ?
> 
> You mean in a nested container ? I agree that it does not help then.
> 
> | 
> | If they were in a container to begin with, then they still don't know.
> | 
> | Now if you were to keep a unique per-instance id and have show_options
> | list 'instance=%x', that would be helpful.  Either that or just
> | dropping the info altogether make sense.  This 'newinstance' listing
> | is meaningless.
> | 
> 
> Another way to look at it is that it is a mount option that was specified
> and we just report it. It may not be useful always but might help in some
> cases. But I am fine either way.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> | > | > +
> | > | > +		err = mknod_ptmx(mnt->mnt_sb);
> | > | > +		if (err) {
> | > | > +			dput(mnt->mnt_sb->s_root);
> | > | > +			deactivate_super(mnt->mnt_sb);
> | > | > +		} else
> | > | > +			devpts_mnt = mnt;
> | > | > +
> | > | > +		return err;
> | > | 
> | > | There is no locking here, so in early-userspace two competing processes
> | > | could both try to set devpts_mnt, right?
> | > 
> | > Hmm. I was thinking there would be only one thread calling the
> | > vfs_kern_mount() in init_devpts_fs.
> | 
> | But what if init happens to (perhaps mistakenly) lead to 2 racing ones?
> | 
> | Sure it's just a small memory leak, but why not just prevent it.
> 
> Ok.
> 
> | 
> | > | 
> | > | > +	}
> | > | > +
> | > | > +	return get_sb_ref(devpts_mnt->mnt_sb, flags, data, mnt);
> | > | > +}
> | > | > +
> | > | >  static int devpts_get_sb(struct file_system_type *fs_type,
> | > | >  	int flags, const char *dev_name, void *data, struct vfsmount *mnt)
> | > | >  {
> | > | > +	int new;
> | > | > +
> | > | > +	new = is_new_instance_mount(data);
> | > | > +	if (new < 0)
> | > | > +		return new;
> | > | > +
> | > | > +	if (new)
> | > | > +		return new_pts_mount(fs_type, flags, data, mnt);
> | > | > +
> | > | > +	return init_pts_mount(fs_type, flags, data, mnt);
> | > | 
> | > | Wait a sec - so if a container does
> | > | 
> | > | 	mount -t devpts -o newinstance none /dev/pts
> | > | 	and then later on just does
> | > | 	mount -t devpts none /dev/pts
> | > | 
> | > | it'll get the init_pts_ns, not the one it had created?
> | > 
> | > Yes.  Should we treat the latter as remount of the private instance ?
> | > If so, user could add '-oremount' ?
> | > 
> | > The logic seems simple: With newinstance create a private namespace.
> | > Without newinstance, bind to initial ns.
> | 
> | But if I'm in a container in a new mounts ns and somehow managed 
> | to umount -l /dev/pts, shouldn't i be able to remount my container's
> | devpts by just doing 'mount -t devpts devpts /dev/pts'?
> 
> Now wouldn't that require us to associate the devpts mount with some
> notion of a container ? (a namespace object in nsproxy of container-init 
> like we do with /proc).

Yes.

> Yes, after 'umount -l'  we have lost _that_ devpts ns and we may have to
> 'redo' the relevant container-init parts

It all just feels fragile.

I realize this is an attempt to do the 'pure fs approach' you were asked
to do.  I just don't like the resulting semantics.

-serge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-09-29 15:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-09-12 17:48 [PATCH 0/10][v4]: Enable multiple devpts instances sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found] ` <20080912174845.GA17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-12 17:50   ` [PATCH 01/10] Remove devpts_root global sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175057.GB17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 17:04       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-12 17:51   ` [PATCH 02/10] Per-mount allocated_ptys sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175116.GC17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 17:14       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20080924171408.GB25255-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-27  1:12           ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
2008-09-12 17:51   ` [PATCH 03/10] Per-mount 'config' object sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175135.GD17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 17:20       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-12 17:51   ` [PATCH 04/10] Extract option parsing to new function sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175153.GE17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 17:23       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-12 17:52   ` [PATCH 05/10] Add DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCES config token sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175210.GF17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 17:24       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-12 17:52   ` [PATCH 06/10] Define mknod_ptmx() sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175237.GG17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 18:21       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20080924182125.GF25255-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 21:32           ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
2008-09-24 18:50       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20080924185046.GA31535-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 21:29           ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
     [not found]             ` <20080926212954.GE31505-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-29 13:14               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-12 17:52   ` [PATCH 07/10] Update ptmx permissions during remount sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175252.GH17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 18:30       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-12 17:53   ` [PATCH 08/10] Define get_sb_ref() sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175308.GI17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 19:20       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-24 19:55       ` Dave Hansen
2008-09-26 21:21         ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
     [not found]           ` <20080926212115.GD31505-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 21:31             ` Dave Hansen
2008-09-27  0:47               ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
     [not found]                 ` <20080927004727.GA2161-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-29 14:00                   ` Cedric Le Goater
     [not found]                     ` <48E0DF71.2070007-NmTC/0ZBporQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-30 15:13                       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                         ` <20080930151325.GA26713-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-01 12:38                           ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-09-27 20:29               ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
     [not found]                 ` <20080927202924.GA16208-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-04  3:09                   ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
2008-09-12 17:53   ` [PATCH 09/10] Enable multiple instances of devpts sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175322.GJ17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-24 20:26       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20080924202616.GB31664-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 21:03           ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
     [not found]             ` <20080926210347.GB31505-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-29 13:01               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20080929130131.GA12531-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-29 15:18                   ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
     [not found]                     ` <20080929151828.GA10202-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-29 15:29                       ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
     [not found]                         ` <20080929152951.GA32518-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-29 15:58                           ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-09-29 14:06               ` Cedric Le Goater
2008-09-12 17:53   ` [PATCH 10/10] Document usage of multiple-instances " sukadev-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA
     [not found]     ` <20080912175347.GK17350-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-19 15:33       ` Alan Cox
     [not found]         ` <20080919163311.626b715f-qBU/x9rampVanCEyBjwyrvXRex20P6io@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-19 16:53           ` H. Peter Anvin
2008-09-20 16:17           ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
     [not found]             ` <20080920161717.GA23693-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 13:29               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20080922132937.GA11932-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 19:25                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
2008-09-22 16:16               ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                 ` <20080922161658.GA27087-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-22 16:33                   ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8
2008-09-24 20:36       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20080924203650.GC31664-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-09-26 21:05           ` sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8

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