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From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Dave Hansen <dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Cc: "containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org"
	<containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Tanaka,
	Thomas" <thomas.tanaka-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Building a SECURE cointainer using Cgroups ?
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2008 14:29:21 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20081013192921.GA10814@us.ibm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1223922341.29877.29.camel@nimitz>

Quoting Dave Hansen (dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org):
> On Mon, 2008-10-13 at 11:01 -0700, Tanaka, Thomas wrote:
> > Yes absolutely that is what I am trying to achieve.
> 
> I'm going to put on my Serge hat and bet that you can do it with
> security modules. :)

Right, your goal is still not very precise, but a security module -
smack or selinux - might be your best bet.

> There's nothing that cgroups or containers gives you that will help with
> your problem.  We actually haven't touched the fs namespaces at all, yet
> because they work great as they stand today.

No, but there is the device whitelist cgroup and capability bounding
sets - perhaps that is what he is asking about?

If you have a normal chroot - or a container created with
clone(CLONE_NEWNS) followed by pivot_root into a completely isolated
file system tree (say, created using debootstrap), then a root user in
that pivot_root can simply mount /dev/hda1 /mnt and chroot back into
that.

So to make the above a little more secure, you can

	1. restrict the container's device whitelist so that it can't
	   create or use the devices representing the hard drive.
or
	2. take CAP_MKNOD and CAP_SYS_ADMIN out of the containers'
	   capability bounding set and pI, so that root can neither
	   mount any filesystems nor create any devices.  (Of course,
	   also make sure /dev is suitably empty)  The problem with
	   this one is that we still don't have a check upstream to
	   force mounts by a user who does not have CAP_MKNOD to be
	   nodev.  That's one reason I keep trying to push on the
	   user mounts patchset - it brings that check.

-serge

  reply	other threads:[~2008-10-13 19:29 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-10-13 17:03 Building a SECURE cointainer using Cgroups ? Tanaka, Thomas
     [not found] ` <0A97A441BFADC74EA1E299A79C69DF9212D3F6C9E2-osO9UTpF0UQ64kNsxIetb7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-13 17:54   ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-13 18:01     ` Tanaka, Thomas
     [not found]       ` <0A97A441BFADC74EA1E299A79C69DF9212D3F6CA1B-osO9UTpF0UQ64kNsxIetb7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-13 18:25         ` Dave Hansen
2008-10-13 19:29           ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
     [not found]             ` <20081013192921.GA10814-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-13 20:57               ` Tanaka, Thomas
     [not found]                 ` <0A97A441BFADC74EA1E299A79C69DF9212D3F6CA82-osO9UTpF0UQ64kNsxIetb7fspsVTdybXVpNB7YpNyf8@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-13 21:04                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20081013210420.GA26529-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2008-10-13 21:13                       ` Tanaka, Thomas
2008-10-14  8:53               ` Daniel P. Berrange

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