* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 [not found] ` <19f34abd0902102355o5bf51096o9aa3737e87104fb9-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2009-02-11 8:07 ` Andrew Morton 2009-02-11 10:48 ` Vegard Nossum 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Andrew Morton @ 2009-02-11 8:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Vegard Nossum Cc: Eric Sesterhenn, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA, David-FOgKQjlUJ6BQetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA, Howells, containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg (cc's added) On Wed, 11 Feb 2009 08:55:08 +0100 Vegard Nossum <vegard.nossum-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:15 AM, Andrew Morton <akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > On Fri, 6 Feb 2009 12:35:56 +0100 > > Eric Sesterhenn <snakebyte-Mmb7MZpHnFY@public.gmane.org> wrote: > >> > >> with todays -git i get the following bug when i reboot the machine > >> > >> [ 94.369135] ------------[ cut here ]------------ > >> [ 94.369344] kernel BUG at mm/slub.c:2750! > > [...] > > > Well that's ugly. We seem to have passed a non-slab address into > > kfree(). > > > > void kfree(const void *x) > > { > > struct page *page; > > void *object = (void *)x; > > > > if (unlikely(ZERO_OR_NULL_PTR(x))) > > return; > > > > page = virt_to_head_page(x); > > if (unlikely(!PageSlab(page))) { > > BUG_ON(!PageCompound(page)); > > > > > > doing BUG_ON(!PageCompound) is a rather odd way of reporting that. > > > > This might be pointing out the obvious, but page allocator > pass-through means that we can't really tell slab pages from page > allocator pages. But since pass-through uses GFP_COMP, we know it'd be > a bug to pass a non-compound page into this function. > > > I'm unsure what could have caused this. Could you have a play around > > please? Set all the memory debug options, try using slab instead of > > slub, etc? > > I think it is trying to free the init_user_ns (because of a > refcounting bug). I am able to reproduce it with a clean stack trace: > > [ 648.864710] ------------[ cut here ]------------ > [ 648.865554] kernel BUG at mm/slub.c:2750! > [ 648.865554] invalid opcode: 0000 [#1] SMP DEBUG_PAGEALLOC > [ 648.865554] last sysfs file: /sys/devices/pnp0/00:0d/id > [ 648.865554] CPU 1 > [ 648.865554] Modules linked in: > [ 648.865554] Pid: 917, comm: udevd Not tainted 2.6.29-rc3 #223 > [ 648.865554] RIP: 0010:[<ffffffff810b99c9>] [<ffffffff810b99c9>] > kfree+0x29/0x87 > [ 648.865554] RSP: 0018:ffff88003f187e28 EFLAGS: 00010246 > [ 648.865554] RAX: 0100000000000400 RBX: ffffffff8171fe00 RCX: 0000000000000086 > [ 648.865554] RDX: ffffe20000050ec8 RSI: 0000000000000085 RDI: ffffe20000050ec8 > [ 648.865554] RBP: ffff88003f187e38 R08: 0000000000000000 R09: ffffffff81819cb0 > [ 648.865554] R10: 0000000000000002 R11: ffff88003f187e98 R12: ffffffff81072144 > [ 648.865554] R13: 00000000000000cf R14: ffffffff818b13e0 R15: 000000000000000a > [ 648.865554] FS: 0000000000000000(0000) GS:ffff88003f156f80(0063) > knlGS:00000000f7fac700 > [ 648.865554] CS: 0010 DS: 002b ES: 002b CR0: 000000008005003b > [ 648.865554] CR2: 0000000009b2d630 CR3: 000000003e92c000 CR4: 00000000000006a0 > [ 648.865554] DR0: 0000000000000000 DR1: 0000000000000000 DR2: 0000000000000000 > [ 648.865554] DR3: 0000000000000000 DR6: 00000000ffff0ff0 DR7: 0000000000000400 > [ 648.865554] Process udevd (pid: 917, threadinfo ffff88003e458000, > task ffff88003f1b8e80) > [ 648.865554] Stack: > [ 648.865554] ffffffff8171fe00 ffffffff81072144 ffff88003f187e58 > ffffffff81072169 > [ 648.865554] ffffffff818b13e0 ffffffff8171fe00 ffff88003f187e78 > ffffffff811b2f68 > [ 648.865554] ffff88003dd4c500 0000000000000286 ffff88003f187e98 > ffffffff81046712 > [ 648.865554] Call Trace: > [ 648.865554] <IRQ> <0> [<ffffffff81072144>] ? free_user_ns+0x0/0x29 > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff81072169>] free_user_ns+0x25/0x29 > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff811b2f68>] kref_put+0x66/0x72 > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff81046712>] free_uid+0x4f/0x90 > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff810555b8>] put_cred_rcu+0xa5/0xb9 > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff8107ea86>] __rcu_process_callbacks+0x1f4/0x263 > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff8107eb2c>] rcu_process_callbacks+0x37/0x5d > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff81041bd3>] __do_softirq+0x88/0x149 > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff8100d53c>] call_softirq+0x1c/0x28 > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff8100e4e9>] do_softirq+0x39/0x7b > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff81041946>] irq_exit+0x44/0x7e > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff814c3d8f>] smp_apic_timer_interrupt+0x98/0xb1 > [ 648.865554] [<ffffffff8100cf73>] apic_timer_interrupt+0x13/0x20 > [ 648.865554] <EOI> <0>Code: c9 c3 55 48 89 e5 41 54 53 0f 1f 44 00 > 00 48 83 ff 10 48 89 fb 7 > 6 6d e8 1d ed ff ff 48 89 c7 48 8b 00 84 c0 78 10 f6 c4 60 75 04 <0f> > 0b eb fe e8 f4 cd fd ff e > b 4e 48 8b 4d 08 4c 8b 4f 10 9c 41 > [ 648.865554] RIP [<ffffffff810b99c9>] kfree+0x29/0x87 > [ 648.865554] RSP <ffff88003f187e28> > [ 649.131912] ---[ end trace a48f49f69d2bcb3e ]--- > [ 649.136840] Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt > [ 649.143558] Rebooting in 10 seconds.. > > And if you look closely in the stack dump, you will find init_user_ns: > > ffffffff8171fe00 D init_user_ns > > In case you missed it, KOSAKI Motohiro posted a similar stack-trace > (but not the same BUG) in this thread: > http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/2/10/7 > Both traces include the newly-added put_cred_rcu(). Suspicious. ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 2009-02-11 8:07 ` namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 Andrew Morton @ 2009-02-11 10:48 ` Vegard Nossum 2009-02-11 16:37 ` Serge E. Hallyn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Vegard Nossum @ 2009-02-11 10:48 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Morton Cc: Eric Sesterhenn, linux-kernel, David Howells, KOSAKI Motohiro, containers On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote: >> In case you missed it, KOSAKI Motohiro posted a similar stack-trace >> (but not the same BUG) in this thread: >> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/2/10/7 >> > > Both traces include the newly-added put_cred_rcu(). Suspicious. > I have this test case which triggers it regularly after some minutes: #include <sys/wait.h> #include <sys/types.h> #include <errno.h> #include <stdio.h> #include <stdlib.h> #include <string.h> #include <unistd.h> int main(int argc, char* argv[]) { unsigned int i; if (fork() == 0) { while (1) system("echo -n ."); } for (i = 0; i < 2; ++i) { if (fork() == 0) { while (1) { setreuid(0, 0xcafeba); setreuid(0xcafeba, 0); setreuid(0, 0xcafebb); setreuid(0xcafebb, 0); } exit(EXIT_SUCCESS); } } while (!(wait(NULL) == -1 && errno == ECHILD)) ; return 0; } It seems to be the combination of exec() and setreuid(), but I couldn't get it to work with just exec() instead of system(). It is possible that CONFIG_USER_SCHED must be =y for this to work. It can probably be simplified too... Vegard -- "The animistic metaphor of the bug that maliciously sneaked in while the programmer was not looking is intellectually dishonest as it disguises that the error is the programmer's own creation." -- E. W. Dijkstra, EWD1036 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 2009-02-11 10:48 ` Vegard Nossum @ 2009-02-11 16:37 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2009-02-11 17:02 ` David Howells 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Serge E. Hallyn @ 2009-02-11 16:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Vegard Nossum Cc: Andrew Morton, David Howells, Eric Sesterhenn, containers, linux-kernel, Dhaval Giani, Peter Zijlstra Quoting Vegard Nossum (vegard.nossum@gmail.com): > On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Andrew Morton > <akpm@linux-foundation.org> wrote: > >> In case you missed it, KOSAKI Motohiro posted a similar stack-trace > >> (but not the same BUG) in this thread: > >> http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/2/10/7 > >> > > > > Both traces include the newly-added put_cred_rcu(). Suspicious. > > > > I have this test case which triggers it regularly after some minutes: > > #include <sys/wait.h> > #include <sys/types.h> > > #include <errno.h> > #include <stdio.h> > #include <stdlib.h> > #include <string.h> > #include <unistd.h> > > int main(int argc, char* argv[]) > { > unsigned int i; > > if (fork() == 0) { > while (1) > system("echo -n ."); > } > > for (i = 0; i < 2; ++i) { > if (fork() == 0) { > while (1) { > setreuid(0, 0xcafeba); > setreuid(0xcafeba, 0); > > setreuid(0, 0xcafebb); > setreuid(0xcafebb, 0); > } > > exit(EXIT_SUCCESS); > } > } > > while (!(wait(NULL) == -1 && errno == ECHILD)) > ; > > return 0; > } > > It seems to be the combination of exec() and setreuid(), but I > couldn't get it to work with just exec() instead of system(). It is > possible that CONFIG_USER_SCHED must be =y for this to work. It can > probably be simplified too... > > > Vegard I haven't yet been able to reproduce it, but I'm wondering whether something like the following is needed. Note that free_user() still seems wrong there, as it won't call uid_hash_remove(up) for a user which is not inthe init_user_ns at all, right? From 2bc9da9728e0a4242bd8b1362d34e8d425be1b66 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:29:52 -0500 Subject: [PATCH 1/1] user namespaces: only put the userns when we unhash the uid uids in namespaces other than init don't get a sysfs entry. For those in the init namespace, while we're waiting to remove the sysfs entry for the uid the uid is still hashed, and alloc_uid() may re-grab that uid without getting a new reference to the user_ns, which we've already put in free_user before scheduling remove_user_sysfs_dir(). Signed-off-by: Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> --- kernel/user.c | 3 +-- 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/kernel/user.c b/kernel/user.c index 477b666..bb401a5 100644 --- a/kernel/user.c +++ b/kernel/user.c @@ -71,6 +71,7 @@ static void uid_hash_insert(struct user_struct *up, struct hlist_head *hashent) static void uid_hash_remove(struct user_struct *up) { + put_user_ns(up->user_ns); hlist_del_init(&up->uidhash_node); } @@ -334,7 +335,6 @@ static void free_user(struct user_struct *up, unsigned long flags) atomic_inc(&up->__count); spin_unlock_irqrestore(&uidhash_lock, flags); - put_user_ns(up->user_ns); INIT_WORK(&up->work, remove_user_sysfs_dir); schedule_work(&up->work); } @@ -357,7 +357,6 @@ static void free_user(struct user_struct *up, unsigned long flags) sched_destroy_user(up); key_put(up->uid_keyring); key_put(up->session_keyring); - put_user_ns(up->user_ns); kmem_cache_free(uid_cachep, up); } -- 1.6.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 2009-02-11 16:37 ` Serge E. Hallyn @ 2009-02-11 17:02 ` David Howells [not found] ` <1538.1234371764-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: David Howells @ 2009-02-11 17:02 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Serge E. Hallyn Cc: dhowells, Vegard Nossum, Andrew Morton, Eric Sesterhenn, containers, linux-kernel, Dhaval Giani, Peter Zijlstra Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> wrote: > static void uid_hash_remove(struct user_struct *up) > { > + put_user_ns(up->user_ns); > hlist_del_init(&up->uidhash_node); > } Don't you need to do the hlist_del_init() first? Otherwise, mightn't the put_user_ns() cause the namespace to be freed before hlist_del_init() removes the user_struct from it? David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 [not found] ` <1538.1234371764-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> @ 2009-02-11 17:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2009-02-11 18:00 ` Vegard Nossum 2009-02-11 18:03 ` David Howells 0 siblings, 2 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Serge E. Hallyn @ 2009-02-11 17:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Howells Cc: Dhaval Giani, Vegard Nossum, Eric Sesterhenn, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA, containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg, Andrew Morton, Peter Zijlstra Quoting David Howells (dhowells-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org): > Serge E. Hallyn <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > > static void uid_hash_remove(struct user_struct *up) > > { > > + put_user_ns(up->user_ns); > > hlist_del_init(&up->uidhash_node); > > } > > Don't you need to do the hlist_del_init() first? Otherwise, mightn't the > put_user_ns() cause the namespace to be freed before hlist_del_init() removes > the user_struct from it? It's called under uidhash_lock spinlock so should be ok, but in principle you're right so it's probably a good idea. The main point is that without this patch, put_user_ns is done before the hlist_del_init and *not* atomically under uidhash_lock. thanks, -serge ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 2009-02-11 17:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn @ 2009-02-11 18:00 ` Vegard Nossum 2009-02-11 18:03 ` David Howells 1 sibling, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Vegard Nossum @ 2009-02-11 18:00 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Serge E. Hallyn, KOSAKI Motohiro Cc: David Howells, Andrew Morton, Eric Sesterhenn, containers, linux-kernel, Dhaval Giani, Peter Zijlstra On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 6:24 PM, Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> wrote: > Quoting David Howells (dhowells@redhat.com): >> Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> wrote: >> >> > static void uid_hash_remove(struct user_struct *up) >> > { >> > + put_user_ns(up->user_ns); >> > hlist_del_init(&up->uidhash_node); >> > } >> >> Don't you need to do the hlist_del_init() first? Otherwise, mightn't the >> put_user_ns() cause the namespace to be freed before hlist_del_init() removes >> the user_struct from it? > > It's called under uidhash_lock spinlock so should be ok, but in > principle you're right so it's probably a good idea. > > The main point is that without this patch, put_user_ns is done before > the hlist_del_init and *not* atomically under uidhash_lock. Congrats, your (unmodified) patch made it through the first 20 minutes of testing! :-D (In comparison, the unpatched kernel would usually crash after ~3 minutes) I wonder why you couldn't reproduce it, though. KOSAKI Motohiro: You might want to see if this patch helps too. It is here: http://lkml.org/lkml/2009/2/11/251 Vegard -- "The animistic metaphor of the bug that maliciously sneaked in while the programmer was not looking is intellectually dishonest as it disguises that the error is the programmer's own creation." -- E. W. Dijkstra, EWD1036 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 2009-02-11 17:24 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2009-02-11 18:00 ` Vegard Nossum @ 2009-02-11 18:03 ` David Howells 2009-02-11 19:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn 1 sibling, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: David Howells @ 2009-02-11 18:03 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Serge E. Hallyn Cc: dhowells, Vegard Nossum, Andrew Morton, Eric Sesterhenn, containers, linux-kernel, Dhaval Giani, Peter Zijlstra Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> wrote: > It's called under uidhash_lock spinlock so should be ok, but in > principle you're right so it's probably a good idea. The lock is nothing to do with it. put_user_ns() may call kfree() on the user_namespace, but the user_struct given to uid_hash_remove() may still be attached to it. David ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 2009-02-11 18:03 ` David Howells @ 2009-02-11 19:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn 2009-02-11 20:42 ` David Howells 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: Serge E. Hallyn @ 2009-02-11 19:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Howells Cc: Vegard Nossum, Andrew Morton, Eric Sesterhenn, containers, linux-kernel, Dhaval Giani, Peter Zijlstra Quoting David Howells (dhowells@redhat.com): > Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> wrote: > > > It's called under uidhash_lock spinlock so should be ok, but in > > principle you're right so it's probably a good idea. > > The lock is nothing to do with it. put_user_ns() may call kfree() on the > user_namespace, but the user_struct given to uid_hash_remove() may still be > attached to it. Yes, but noone will pull the user_struct off the list without taking the lock. what am I missing? Anyway, I do like swapping the lines (as below) better. -serge From 8b83d11023c1064e99bffae3c2a05580b915de60 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2009 11:29:52 -0500 Subject: [PATCH 1/1] user namespaces: only put the userns when we unhash the uid uids in namespaces other than init don't get a sysfs entry. For those in the init namespace, while we're waiting to remove the sysfs entry for the uid the uid is still hashed, and alloc_uid() may re-grab that uid without getting a new reference to the user_ns, which we've already put in free_user before scheduling remove_user_sysfs_dir(). Signed-off-by: Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> --- kernel/user.c | 3 +-- 1 files changed, 1 insertions(+), 2 deletions(-) diff --git a/kernel/user.c b/kernel/user.c index 477b666..3551ac7 100644 --- a/kernel/user.c +++ b/kernel/user.c @@ -72,6 +72,7 @@ static void uid_hash_insert(struct user_struct *up, struct hlist_head *hashent) static void uid_hash_remove(struct user_struct *up) { hlist_del_init(&up->uidhash_node); + put_user_ns(up->user_ns); } static struct user_struct *uid_hash_find(uid_t uid, struct hlist_head *hashent) @@ -334,7 +335,6 @@ static void free_user(struct user_struct *up, unsigned long flags) atomic_inc(&up->__count); spin_unlock_irqrestore(&uidhash_lock, flags); - put_user_ns(up->user_ns); INIT_WORK(&up->work, remove_user_sysfs_dir); schedule_work(&up->work); } @@ -357,7 +357,6 @@ static void free_user(struct user_struct *up, unsigned long flags) sched_destroy_user(up); key_put(up->uid_keyring); key_put(up->session_keyring); - put_user_ns(up->user_ns); kmem_cache_free(uid_cachep, up); } -- 1.6.1 ^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 2009-02-11 19:38 ` Serge E. Hallyn @ 2009-02-11 20:42 ` David Howells 2009-02-11 21:21 ` Serge E. Hallyn 0 siblings, 1 reply; 10+ messages in thread From: David Howells @ 2009-02-11 20:42 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Serge E. Hallyn Cc: dhowells, Vegard Nossum, Andrew Morton, Eric Sesterhenn, containers, linux-kernel, Dhaval Giani, Peter Zijlstra Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> wrote: > Yes, but noone will pull the user_struct off the list without > taking the lock. > > what am I missing? I believe that the hash link (uidhash_node) in the user_struct that is passed to uid_hash_remove() points to, and is pointed to by the user_namespace to which the user_struct belongs. In which case calling put_user_ns() may kfree the head pointer of the list _before_ hlist_del_init() is invoked - in which case hlist_del_init() will act upon freed memory. At least, I think it works like this. Anyway, I have no objection to your new patch. Acked-by: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
* Re: namespaces?: bug at mm/slub.c:2750 2009-02-11 20:42 ` David Howells @ 2009-02-11 21:21 ` Serge E. Hallyn 0 siblings, 0 replies; 10+ messages in thread From: Serge E. Hallyn @ 2009-02-11 21:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: David Howells Cc: Vegard Nossum, Andrew Morton, Eric Sesterhenn, containers, linux-kernel, Dhaval Giani, Peter Zijlstra Quoting David Howells (dhowells@redhat.com): > Serge E. Hallyn <serue@us.ibm.com> wrote: > > > Yes, but noone will pull the user_struct off the list without > > taking the lock. > > > > what am I missing? > > I believe that the hash link (uidhash_node) in the user_struct that is passed > to uid_hash_remove() points to, and is pointed to by the user_namespace to > which the user_struct belongs. > > In which case calling put_user_ns() may kfree the head pointer of the list > _before_ hlist_del_init() is invoked - in which case hlist_del_init() will act > upon freed memory. > > At least, I think it works like this. Yikes, you're right. I was thinking there was on hash table with the key calculated from ns+uid, but instead each ns has its own hash table keyed on uid. > Anyway, I have no objection to your new patch. > > Acked-by: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> thanks, -serge ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 10+ messages in thread
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