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From: Tejun Heo <tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: nhorman-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org,
	containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	daniel.wagner-98C5kh4wR6ohFhg+JK9F0w@public.gmane.org,
	hannes-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org,
	cgroups-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	mingo-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org,
	vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 07/12] cgroup: unify cgroup_write_X64() and cgroup_write_string()
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 15:41:55 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20131203204155.GL8277@htj.dyndns.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20131202141242.GD18838-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>

Hello, Michal.

On Mon, Dec 02, 2013 at 03:12:42PM +0100, Michal Hocko wrote:
> I really do not want to add more hacks just to make this use case work.
> There are some proposals for more systematic implementation (memory
> reserves for oom killer etc.) but that won't interfere with the cgroup
> core.
> This one just looks trivial so I was thinking whether we can keep the
> !allocating write as before. It is nothing I would insist on, though. So
> I will leave the decision on you.

So, I'm just gonna commit the patches as-is because I can't really see
how this is anything which can work in any reasonable way.  As it
currently stands, the userland wouldn't even be able to read any knob.
Wouldn't it at least need to do that?  Actually, the answer to that
question doesn't even matter because "no" would mean that the OOM
notification, however it's done, can't depend on the userland being
able to read *any* knob, which in turn is likely to constrain and
distort the notification mechanism itself.  These things are all
connected and this type of bad decisions propagates through the whole
stack.

In case this *really* is necessary, let's please do it in a separate
patch with rationale and detailed explanation of actual usage.

Thanks.

-- 
tejun

  parent reply	other threads:[~2013-12-03 20:41 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 37+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <1385595759-17656-1-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org>
     [not found] ` <1385595759-17656-1-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 01/12] cgroup, sched: convert away from cftype->read_map() Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 02/12] cpuset: convert away from cftype->read() Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 03/12] memcg: convert away from cftype->read() and ->read_map() Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 04/12] netprio_cgroup: convert away from cftype->read_map() Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 05/12] hugetlb_cgroup: convert away from cftype->read() Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 06/12] cgroup: remove cftype->read(), ->read_map() and ->write() Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 07/12] cgroup: unify cgroup_write_X64() and cgroup_write_string() Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 08/12] cgroup: unify read path so that seq_file is always used Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 09/12] cgroup: generalize cgroup_pidlist_open_file Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 10/12] cgroup: attach cgroup_open_file to all cgroup files Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 11/12] cgroup: replace cftype->read_seq_string() with cftype->seq_show() Tejun Heo
2013-11-27 23:42   ` [PATCH 12/12] cgroup: unify pidlist and other file handling Tejun Heo
2013-12-05  1:48   ` [PATCHSET cgroup/for-3.14] cgroup: consolidate " Li Zefan
2013-12-05 17:26   ` Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <1385595759-17656-4-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org>
     [not found]   ` <1385595759-17656-4-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-28  8:26     ` [PATCH 03/12] memcg: convert away from cftype->read() and ->read_map() Michal Hocko
     [not found] ` <1385595759-17656-6-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org>
     [not found]   ` <1385595759-17656-6-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-28  8:29     ` [PATCH 05/12] hugetlb_cgroup: convert away from cftype->read() Michal Hocko
     [not found] ` <1385595759-17656-8-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org>
     [not found]   ` <1385595759-17656-8-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-28 11:18     ` [PATCH 07/12] cgroup: unify cgroup_write_X64() and cgroup_write_string() Michal Hocko
     [not found]       ` <20131128111818.GG2761-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-29 20:05         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20131129200525.GC21755-9pTldWuhBndy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-02  9:54             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]               ` <20131202095401.GA18838-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-02 13:30                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20131202133059.GA3626-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-02 14:12                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                       ` <20131202141242.GD18838-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-03 20:41                         ` Tejun Heo [this message]
     [not found]                           ` <20131203204155.GL8277-Gd/HAXX7CRxy/B6EtB590w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-03 21:04                             ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-02 16:44             ` Johannes Weiner
     [not found]           ` <20131202164406.GP3556@cmpxchg.org>
     [not found]             ` <20131202164406.GP3556-druUgvl0LCNAfugRpC6u6w@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-03  7:35               ` Li Zefan
     [not found] ` <1385595759-17656-5-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org>
     [not found]   ` <1385595759-17656-5-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-29  1:56     ` [PATCH 04/12] netprio_cgroup: convert away from cftype->read_map() Neil Horman
2013-11-29  8:52     ` Daniel Wagner
     [not found] ` <1385595759-17656-12-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org>
     [not found]   ` <1385595759-17656-12-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-11-28  9:07     ` [PATCH 11/12] cgroup: replace cftype->read_seq_string() with cftype->seq_show() Daniel Wagner
2013-11-28 11:25     ` Michal Hocko
2013-12-02 14:41     ` Aristeu Rozanski
2013-12-02 14:52     ` Vivek Goyal
     [not found] ` <1385595759-17656-11-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org>
     [not found]   ` <1385595759-17656-11-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-04  6:04     ` [PATCH 10/12] cgroup: attach cgroup_open_file to all cgroup files Li Zefan
     [not found]       ` <529EC5F4.10708-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-04 13:04         ` Tejun Heo
2013-12-04 15:09     ` [PATCH v2 " Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <1385595759-17656-13-git-send-email-tj@kernel.org>
     [not found]   ` <529EC9A6.903@huawei.com>
     [not found]     ` <529EC9A6.903-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-04 13:08       ` [PATCH 12/12] cgroup: unify pidlist and other file handling Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <1385595759-17656-13-git-send-email-tj-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2013-12-04  6:20     ` Li Zefan
2013-12-04 15:09     ` [PATCH v3 " Tejun Heo

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