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From: Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Ted Ts'o <tytso-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>,
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Subject: Re: ioctl CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE is checked in the wrong namespace
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2014 00:44:53 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20140430004453.GD28969@ubuntumail> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrVh0hCtiK=9fmEYfUWuz4C1dPq22kvyd=OWFMH5pXGaZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>

Quoting Andy Lutomirski (luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org):
> On Tue, Apr 29, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn-GeWIH/nMZzLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> > Quoting Andy Lutomirski (luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org):
> >> > It should be a nonissue so long as we make sure that a file owned by a
> >> > uid outside the scope of the container may not be changed even though
> >> > fs_owner_uid is set. Otherwise, it's just a matter of chmod +S on say
> >> > a shell and anyone who can see the fs from the host will be getting a
> >> > root shell (assuming said file is owned by the host's uid 0).
> >>
> >> I feel like that's too fragile.  I'd rather add a rule that one of
> >
> > yeah I don't wnat to rush something like that.  I'd rather stash
> > the userns of the task which did the mounting and check against
> > that.  Note that would make it worthless unless and until we allowed
> > mounting from non-init userns, but then we can only claim "our fs
> > superblock readers suck and therefore containers can't mount an fs"
> > so long before we start to feel some shame and audit them...
> >
> >> these filesystems always acts like it's nosuid unless you're inside a
> >> user namespace that matches fs_owner_uid.
> >>
> >> Maybe even that is too weird.  How about setuid, setgid, and fcaps
> >> only work on mounts that are in mount namespaces that are owned by the
> >> current user namespace or one of its parents?  IOW, a struct mount is
> >> only trusted if mnt->mnt_ns->user_ns == current user ns or one of its
> >> parents?
> >>
> >> Untrusted mounts would act like they are nosuid,nodev.  Someone can
> >> try to figure out a safe way to relax nodev at some point.
> 
> Do you like this variant?  We could add a way for global root to mount
> an fs on behalf of a userns.  I'd rather this be more explicit than
> just mounting it in a mount ns owned by the user namespace, though.

I'm missing something.  Which mnt are you talking about?  A user
can just clone a new userns and then clone(CLONE_NEWNS) to get a set
of mounts owned by himself...  We need to get a mnt (or a cred or
straight to a userns) tied to the first mount of the superblock, istm.

-serge

  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-04-30  0:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-04-29 13:49 ioctl CAP_LINUX_IMMUTABLE is checked in the wrong namespace Marian Marinov
     [not found] ` <535FADDA.2070803-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 18:35   ` Theodore Ts'o
2014-04-29 18:37   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found] ` <20140429183534.GB19325@thunk.org>
     [not found]   ` <20140429183534.GB19325-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 18:52     ` Serge Hallyn
2014-04-29 21:49       ` Marian Marinov
     [not found]         ` <53601E5B.5050004-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 22:02           ` Serge Hallyn
2014-04-29 22:24             ` Marian Marinov
     [not found]               ` <536026B3.1020905-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 22:29                 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-04-29 22:45                   ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                     ` <53602B84.1020304-3s7WtUTddSA@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 23:06                       ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                         ` <20140429230624.GA28966-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 23:07                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-29 23:20                       ` Marian Marinov
     [not found]                         ` <536033A9.5070504-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 23:22                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                             ` <CALCETrVJY6SWjdbqSSCeOo9oid22TnL83v9oDVg06XLZfPkLCw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-29 23:47                               ` Stéphane Graber
2014-04-29 23:51                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                   ` <CALCETrXK6N8CLjPtnHVXB-BM_bxNU6e1xYGd=_UKcjKMrR3j0g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30  0:01                                     ` Stéphane Graber
2014-04-30  0:10                                       ` Marian Marinov
     [not found]                                         ` <53603F8F.6070304-108MBtLGafw@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30  0:12                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-30  0:11                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                         ` <CALCETrWz2i1xE_t982yA8GG4a-rD4AnU_43YA8cNdC9NpSD4Sg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30  0:21                                           ` Serge Hallyn
2014-04-30  0:23                                             ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                               ` <CALCETrVh0hCtiK=9fmEYfUWuz4C1dPq22kvyd=OWFMH5pXGaZw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30  0:44                                                 ` Serge Hallyn [this message]
2014-04-30  1:03                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-30  0:16                       ` Serge Hallyn
2014-04-30  0:32                         ` Theodore Ts'o
     [not found]                         ` <20140430003236.GA6472@thunk.org>
     [not found]                           ` <20140430003236.GA6472-AKGzg7BKzIDYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30  0:33                             ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-04-30  0:40                             ` Serge Hallyn
2014-04-30  7:48                             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                               ` <87ha5bntqm.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-04-30 13:33                                 ` Serge Hallyn

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