From: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
To: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@HansenPartnership.com>
Cc: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>,
linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, containers@lists.linux.dev,
Mimi Zohar <zohar@linux.ibm.com>,
Dmitry Kasatkin <dmitry.kasatkin@gmail.com>,
Stefan Berger <stefanb@linux.ibm.com>,
"Eric W . Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
krzysztof.struczynski@huawei.com,
Roberto Sassu <roberto.sassu@huawei.com>,
Michael Peters <mpeters@redhat.com>,
Luke Hinds <lhinds@redhat.com>,
Lily Sturmann <lsturman@redhat.com>,
Patrick Uiterwijk <puiterwi@redhat.com>,
Christian Brauner <christian@brauner.io>
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/3] userns: add uuid field
Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2021 09:18:06 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20211128151805.GA15306@mail.hallyn.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <2e32a6897877ed600de64b3d664dc6014389dbe4.camel@HansenPartnership.com>
On Sun, Nov 28, 2021 at 08:29:21AM -0500, James Bottomley wrote:
> On Sat, 2021-11-27 at 22:45 -0600, Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 27, 2021 at 04:45:47PM +0000, James Bottomley wrote:
> > > As a precursor to namespacing IMA a way of uniquely identifying the
> > > namespace to appear in the IMA log is needed. This log may be
> > > transported away from the running system and may be analyzed even
> > > after the system has been rebooted. Thus we need a way of
> > > identifying namespaces in the log which is unique. UUID, being
> > > designed probabilistically never to repeat, fits this bill so add
> > > it to the user_namespace which we'll also use for namespacing IMA.
> >
> > If the logs run across 5 boots, is it important to you that the
> > uuid be unique across all 5 boots? Would it suffice to have a
> > per-boot unique count and report that plus some indicator of the
> > current boot (like boot time in jiffies)?
>
> For the purposes of IMA it's only really important to have the uuid be
> unique within the particular log ... i.e. unique per boot. However,
> given the prevalence of uuids elsewhere and the fact we have no current
> per-boot unique label for the namespace (the inode number could
> repeat), it seemed reasonable to employ uuids for this rather than
> invent a different identifier. Plus IMA isn't going to complain if we
> have a globally unique identifier ...
Ok - Note I'm not saying I heavily object, but I'm mildly concerned
about users who happen to spin off a lot of user namespaces for
quick jobs being penalized. I suspect Eric will also worry about the
namespacing implications - i.e. people *will* want to start restoring
user namespaces with a previously used uuid.
So given that 'unique per boot' is sufficient, what would be the problem
with simply adding a simple ever-increasing unique atomix count to the
struct user_namespace?
-serge
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-28 15:18 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-27 16:45 [RFC 0/3] Namespace IMA James Bottomley
2021-11-27 16:45 ` [RFC 1/3] userns: add uuid field James Bottomley
2021-11-28 4:45 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-28 13:29 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-28 15:18 ` Serge E. Hallyn [this message]
2021-11-28 18:00 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-28 20:47 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-28 21:21 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-28 21:49 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-28 22:56 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-29 1:59 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-29 13:49 ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-29 13:56 ` Christian Brauner
2021-11-29 14:19 ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 13:09 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-29 13:12 ` Christian Brauner
2021-11-29 13:46 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-27 16:45 ` [RFC 2/3] ima: Namespace IMA James Bottomley
2021-11-29 2:52 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-27 16:45 ` [RFC 3/3] ima: make the integrity inode cache per namespace James Bottomley
2021-11-29 4:58 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-29 12:50 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-29 13:53 ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-29 14:10 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-29 14:22 ` Christian Brauner
2021-11-29 14:46 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-29 15:27 ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-29 16:23 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-29 15:35 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-29 16:07 ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 4:42 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-29 16:16 ` Christian Brauner
2021-11-29 16:23 ` Christian Brauner
2021-11-29 17:04 ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-29 17:29 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-30 5:03 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-30 11:55 ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-30 13:33 ` Christian Brauner
2021-11-30 13:44 ` Christian Brauner
2021-11-30 13:38 ` Christian Brauner
2021-11-29 16:44 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-30 4:59 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2021-11-30 13:00 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-29 14:30 ` Stefan Berger
2021-11-29 15:08 ` James Bottomley
2021-11-29 16:20 ` Christian Brauner
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