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From: Cedric Le Goater <legoater-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Containers <containers-qjLDD68F18O7TbgM5vRIOg@public.gmane.org>,
	Sukadev Bhattiprolu
	<sukadev-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>,
	"David C. Hansen"
	<haveblue-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	Dave Hansen
	<dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/6] /proc/pid/checkpointable
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 10:52:10 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <49CB504A.2080400@free.fr> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20090325172938.GA18957-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>

Serge E. Hallyn wrote:
> Quoting Eric W. Biederman (ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org):
>> Dave Hansen <dave-23VcF4HTsmIX0ybBhKVfKdBPR1lH4CV8@public.gmane.org> writes:
>>
>>> On Wed, 2009-03-18 at 13:03 -0700, Mike Waychison wrote:
>>>> Polluting the dmesg buffer with messages from common failures (consider 
>>>> a multi-user cluster where checkpoints may or may not succeed) isn't 
>>>> very useful.
>>> Yeah, I've already gotten an earful from Serge and Dan S. about this. :)
>>>
>>> Serge suggested that, perhaps, the audit framework could be used.  We
>>> might also use an ftrace buffer if we want to keep a whole ton of
>>> messages around, too.
>>>
>>> dmesg is definitely not workable long-term at all.
>> How about having place holder objects in the generated checkpoint.
>> Then instead of having a failure you have a non-restoreable checkpoint.
>> But you know which fd, or which mmaped region, or which other thing
>> is causing the problem and if you want more information you can
>> look at that resource.
>>
>> That gives user space the freedom and scrub out the non-checkpointable
>> bits and replace them with something like /dev/null so that we can
>> continue on and restore the checkpoint anyway, if we think our
>> app can cope with some things going away.
>>
>> Eric
> 
> I like this idea.

yes. This is something required to replace stdios for example, when 
you execute an application under ssh, checkpoint and then restart on 
an other host. This a topical scenario for a batch manager in an HPC 
environment. 

identified resources of the container are tracked to be ignored by 
checkpoint and to be replaced by similar ones at restart.


C.

> Subystems which are temporarily entirely unsupported (like sysvipc)
> would need at least a dummy section in the format wherein we can at
> least say 'unsupported', otherwise we'll still just get a meaningless
> -EINVAL.
>
> I actually got bitten yesterday by trying to checkpoint a task that
> wasn't frozen.  I forgot v14 had that check, and my failures (a
> segfault actually) weren't helpful.
> 
> -serge
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-03-26  9:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-03-17  6:27 [PATCH 0/6] /proc/pid/checkpointable Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found] ` <20090317062754.GA2377-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-17  6:38   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-03-17  6:38   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-03-17  6:39   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-03-17  6:39   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
2009-03-17  6:39   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]     ` <20090317063940.GF2377-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18  8:55       ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]         ` <49C0B6FF.5030104-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18 13:59           ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]             ` <20090318135953.GE22636-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18 16:16               ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                 ` <49C11E61.4010505-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18 16:24                   ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-18 17:48                     ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                       ` <49C133F9.2020505-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18 18:06                         ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-18 16:23               ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                 ` <49C1201A.3050604-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18 17:18                   ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                     ` <20090318171840.GA29523-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18 17:50                       ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]                         ` <49C1347F.3000601-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18 20:03                           ` Mike Waychison
     [not found]                             ` <49C153AF.7070504-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18 20:13                               ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-25 12:25                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                   ` <m17i2dx00b.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-25 17:29                                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]                                       ` <20090325172938.GA18957-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-26  9:52                                         ` Cedric Le Goater [this message]
     [not found]                                           ` <49CB504A.2080400-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-26 13:29                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-18 14:42           ` Dave Hansen
2009-03-17  6:39   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found]     ` <20090317063958.GG2377-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18  8:56       ` Oren Laadan
     [not found]         ` <49C0B750.4050109-eQaUEPhvms7ENvBUuze7eA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18 13:53           ` Serge E. Hallyn
2009-03-17  6:55   ` Sukadev Bhattiprolu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2009-03-17 17:43 Sukadev Bhattiprolu
     [not found] ` <20090317174359.GA10796-r/Jw6+rmf7HQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2009-03-18  9:28   ` Oren Laadan

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