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From: Glauber Costa <glommer-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Michal Hocko <mhocko-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
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	Vivek Goyal <vgoyal-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH REPOST RFC cgroup/for-3.7] cgroup: mark subsystems with broken hierarchy support and whine if cgroups are nested for them
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2012 12:19:06 +0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5052E87A.1050405@parallels.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120913173958.GA21381-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>

On 09/13/2012 09:39 PM, Michal Hocko wrote:
> On Thu 13-09-12 10:18:32, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Hello, Michal.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 02:14:38PM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
>>> I would like to see use_hierarchy go away. The only concern I have is 
>>> to warn only if somebody is doing something wrong (aka flat
>>> hierarchies). Or better put it this way. Do not warn in cases which do
>>> not change if use_hierarchy is gone or default changes to 1.
>>> An example:
>>> root (use_hierarchy=0)
>>>  | \
>>>  |  A (use_hierarchy=0)
>>>  |
>>>  B (use_hierarachy=1)
>>>  |\
>>>  C D
>>>
>>> is a perfectly sane configuration and I do not see any reason to fill
>>> logs with some scary warnings when A is created. There will be no
>>> semantical change in this setup When use_hierchy is gone.
>>>
>>> So the only thing I am proposing here is to warn only if something
>>> should be fixed in the configuration in order to be prepared for fully
>>> hierarchical (and that is a second level of children from root with
>>> use_hierachy==0).
>>>
>>> Does it make more sense now?
>>
>> Ah, okay, so what you're saying is that we shouldn't warn if 0
>> .use_hierarchys don't make any behavior difference from when they're
>> all 1, right?  
> 
> Exactly. 1st level of children under the root is exactly this kind of
> setup.
> 
>> If so, I have no objection.  Will incorporate your updated version.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
I want oppose it as well, but I believe part of this exercise is to make
the need to have hierarchy widespread. Warning on the case
1st-level-only case helps with that, even if we make more noise than we
should.

The reason I supported Tejun's proposal originally, is that I think that
if we make the wrong amount of noise, being wrong by a surplus is better
than being wrong by a deficit, in this case.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2012-09-14  8:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20120910223125.GC7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-10 22:33   ` [PATCH REPOST RFC cgroup/for-3.7] cgroup: mark subsystems with broken hierarchy support and whine if cgroups are nested for them Tejun Heo
     [not found] ` <20120910223355.GD7677@google.com>
     [not found]   ` <20120910223355.GD7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-11 10:04     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]       ` <20120911100433.GC8058-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-11 17:07         ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-12  9:31         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]           ` <5050568B.9090601-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-12 15:49             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]               ` <20120912154907.GW21579-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-12 17:11                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120912171120.GP7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13 12:01                     ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]                       ` <5051CB24.4010801-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13 17:21                         ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-13 12:14                     ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                       ` <20120913121438.GC8055-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13 17:18                         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                           ` <20120913171832.GY7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13 17:39                             ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]                               ` <20120913173958.GA21381-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14  8:19                                 ` Glauber Costa [this message]
     [not found]                                   ` <5052E87A.1050405-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-14 19:15                                     ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                                       ` <20120914191509.GN17747-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-17  9:11                                         ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]       ` <20120911170746.GL7677@google.com>
     [not found]         ` <20120911170746.GL7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-12 15:47           ` Michal Hocko
     [not found]         ` <20120912154745.GV21579@dhcp22.suse.cz>
     [not found]           ` <20120912154745.GV21579-2MMpYkNvuYDjFM9bn6wA6Q@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-12 16:41             ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-11 12:38     ` Li Zefan
2012-09-11 18:23     ` [PATCH UPDATED " Tejun Heo
2012-09-13 12:16     ` [PATCH REPOST " Daniel P. Berrange
     [not found]       ` <20120913121629.GL7767-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13 17:52         ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <20120911182356.GR7677@google.com>
     [not found]     ` <20120911182356.GR7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-11 20:50       ` [PATCH UPDATED " Aristeu Rozanski
     [not found]         ` <20120911205027.GA25837-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-11 20:51           ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]   ` <504F30DB.60808@huawei.com>
     [not found]     ` <20120911170837.GM7677@google.com>
     [not found]       ` <20120911170837.GM7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-11 17:43         ` [PATCH REPOST " Tejun Heo
     [not found]           ` <20120911174319.GO7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-12  9:37             ` Glauber Costa
     [not found]               ` <505057D8.4010908-bzQdu9zFT3WakBO8gow8eQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-12 16:34                 ` Tejun Heo
     [not found]                   ` <20120912163433.GL7677-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-13  6:48                     ` Li Zefan
     [not found]     ` <504F30DB.60808-hv44wF8Li93QT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2012-09-11 17:08       ` Tejun Heo
2012-09-12  9:34       ` Glauber Costa

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