* [PATCH 00/26] Fixing wait, exit, ptrace, exec, and CLONE_THREAD
@ 2017-06-06 19:01 Eric W. Biederman
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From: Eric W. Biederman @ 2017-06-06 19:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA
Cc: Kees Cook, Roland McGrath, linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA,
Linux Containers, Oleg Nesterov, David Howells, Al Viro,
Thomas Gleixner, Linus Torvalds, Ingo Molnar,
Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
All,
I am posting this patches in the hope of some review of the strategy I
am taking and to let the individual patches be reviewed.
The intersection of wait, exit, ptrace, exec, and CLONE_THREAD does not
work correctly in the linux kernel.
An easy entry point into seeing the problem is that exec can wait
forever holding a mutex while waiting for userspace to call waitpid on a
ptraced thread. This is bad enough it has been observed to cause
deadlocks in real world situations today.
Another easy entry point is to see that a multi-threaded setuid won't
change the credentials on a zombie thread group leader. Which can allow
sending signals to a process that the credential change should forbid.
This is in violation of posix and the semantics we attempt to enforce in
linux.
I have been silent the last couple of weeks reading up on the history
and seeing if I could come up with a solution to the buggy semantics and
great big piles of technical debt that exists in this area of the
kernel. It unfortunately requires understanding all of the pieces to
come up with a satisfactory long term solution to this problem. My goal
is to fix enough of the issues that futher cleanups and bug fixes won't
require such comprehensive knowledge.
In large the solution I have found is to:
- Fix the semantics of wait.
This makes it clear what the semantics the rest of the fixes need to
maintain.
- To move everything possible from release_task to do_exit.
Moving code from release_task to do_exit means that zombie
threads can no longer be used to access shared thread group state,
removing the problem of stale credentials on zombie threads.
Much of the state that is freed in release_task instead of do_exit
is freed there because originally during the CLONE_THREAD development
there was no where else to put code that freed thread group state.
And my changes largely move state freeing back where it used to
be in 2.4 and earlier.
- To remove the concept of thread group leader (and allowing the first
thread to exit).
The concept of thread group leader keeps leading people into false
mental models of what the kernel actually does.
There is a lot of code that makes the mistake of assuming the thread
group leader is always alive. When the code doesn't make that mistake
it requires additional code complexity to deal with zombie thread
group leaders. As seen in the signal code which still doesn't
handle zombie thread group leaders correctly from a permission
checking perspective.
- To promote tgid to a first class concept in the kernel.
This is necessary if there isn't a thread group leader, and a
significant part of the functional changes I am making.
- To only allow sending signals through living threads.
This is a subset of removing the concept of thread group leader. But
worth calling out because signal handling is the most significant
offender.
My first batch of changes includes some trivial cleanups and then
includes the small semantic changes (AKA user visible) I noticed that
are necessary to give userspace consistent semantics.
The full set of changes that I have come up with is at:
git://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/ebiederm/user-namespace.git exit-cleanups-for-testing
Unless someone has a better suggestion I intend to collect this up as
a topic branch and merge this through my tree.
Review on the details and of the concept would be very much appreciated.
Eric W. Biederman (26):
alpha: Remove unused TASK_GROUP_LEADER
cgroup: Don't open code tasklist_empty()
signal: Do not perform permission checks when sending pdeath_signal
signal: Make group_send_sig_info static
exit: Remove the pointless clearing of SIGPENDING in __exit_signal
rlimit: Remove unnecessary grab of tasklist_lock
pidns: Improve the error handling in alloc_pid
exit: Make the runqueue rcu safe
signal: Don't allow sending SIGKILL or SIGSTOP to init
ptrace: Simplify ptrace_detach & exit_ptrace
wait: Properly implement __WCLONE handling in the presence of exec and ptrace
wait: Directly test for the two cases where wait_task_zombie is called
wait: Remove unused delay_group_leader
wait: Move changing of ptrace from wait_consider_task into wait_task_stopped
wait: Don't delay !ptrace_reparented leaders
exit: Fix reporting a ptraced !reparented leader has exited
exit: Rework the exit states for ptracees
wait: Fix WSTOPPED on a ptraced child
wait: Simpler code for clearing notask_error in wait_consider_task
wait: Don't pass the list to wait_consider_task
wait: Optmize waitpid
exit: Fix auto-wait of ptraced children
signal: Fix SIGCONT before group stop completes.
signal: In ptrace_stop improve identical signal detection
signal: In ptrace_stop use CLD_TRAPPED in all ptrace signals
pidns: Ensure zap_pid_ns_processes always terminates
arch/alpha/kernel/asm-offsets.c | 1 -
include/linux/sched.h | 7 +-
include/linux/sched/signal.h | 29 ++--
include/linux/sched/task.h | 4 +-
include/linux/signal.h | 1 -
kernel/cgroup/cgroup.c | 2 +-
kernel/exit.c | 375 ++++++++++++++++------------------------
kernel/fork.c | 3 +-
kernel/pid.c | 8 +-
kernel/pid_namespace.c | 2 +-
kernel/ptrace.c | 44 ++---
kernel/sched/core.c | 2 +-
kernel/sched/fair.c | 2 +-
kernel/signal.c | 122 +++++++------
kernel/sys.c | 13 +-
15 files changed, 267 insertions(+), 348 deletions(-)
Eric
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* Re: [PATCH 00/26] Fixing wait, exit, ptrace, exec, and CLONE_THREAD [not found] ` <877f0pym71.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-06-06 19:40 ` Aleksa Sarai [not found] ` <dd16b1bb-e99e-69f2-72f4-1be4cb24d18d-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org> [not found] ` <87ink8vxkf.fsf@xmission.com> 2017-06-06 20:07 ` Linus Torvalds 1 sibling, 2 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Aleksa Sarai @ 2017-06-06 19:40 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric W. Biederman, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA Cc: Kees Cook, Roland McGrath, linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA, Linux Containers, Oleg Nesterov, David Howells, Al Viro, Thomas Gleixner, Linus Torvalds, Ingo Molnar, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) > Another easy entry point is to see that a multi-threaded setuid won't > change the credentials on a zombie thread group leader. Which can allow > sending signals to a process that the credential change should forbid. > This is in violation of posix and the semantics we attempt to enforce in > linux. I might be completely wrong on this point (and I haven't looked at the patches), but I was under the impression that multi-threaded set[ug]id was implemented in userspace (by glibc's nptl(7) library that uses RT signals internally to get each thread to update their credentials). And given that, I wouldn't be surprised (as a user) that zombie threads will have stale credentials (glibc isn't running in those threads anymore). Am I mistaken in that belief? </off-topic> -- Aleksa Sarai Software Engineer (Containers) SUSE Linux GmbH https://www.cyphar.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: [PATCH 00/26] Fixing wait, exit, ptrace, exec, and CLONE_THREAD [not found] ` <dd16b1bb-e99e-69f2-72f4-1be4cb24d18d-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-06-07 11:36 ` Eric W. Biederman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric W. Biederman @ 2017-06-07 11:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Aleksa Sarai Cc: Kees Cook, Roland McGrath, linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA, Linux Containers, Oleg Nesterov, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA, David Howells, Al Viro, Thomas Gleixner, Linus Torvalds, Ingo Molnar, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) Aleksa Sarai <asarai-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org> writes: >> Another easy entry point is to see that a multi-threaded setuid won't >> change the credentials on a zombie thread group leader. Which can allow >> sending signals to a process that the credential change should forbid. >> This is in violation of posix and the semantics we attempt to enforce in >> linux. > > I might be completely wrong on this point (and I haven't looked at the patches), > but I was under the impression that multi-threaded set[ug]id was implemented in > userspace (by glibc's nptl(7) library that uses RT signals internally to get > each thread to update their credentials). And given that, I wouldn't be > surprised (as a user) that zombie threads will have stale credentials (glibc > isn't running in those threads anymore). > > Am I mistaken in that belief? Would you be surprised if you learned that if your first thread exits, it will become a zombie and persist for the lifetime of your process? Furthermore all non-thread specific signals will permission check against that first zombie thread. Which I think makes this surprising even if you know that setuid is implemented in userspace. Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: [PATCH 00/26] Fixing wait, exit, ptrace, exec, and CLONE_THREAD [not found] ` <87ink8vxkf.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-06-07 12:21 ` Aleksa Sarai 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Aleksa Sarai @ 2017-06-07 12:21 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric W. Biederman Cc: Kees Cook, Roland McGrath, linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA, Linux Containers, Oleg Nesterov, linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA, David Howells, Al Viro, Thomas Gleixner, Linus Torvalds, Ingo Molnar, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) On 06/07/2017 09:36 PM, Eric W. Biederman wrote: >>> Another easy entry point is to see that a multi-threaded setuid won't >>> change the credentials on a zombie thread group leader. Which can allow >>> sending signals to a process that the credential change should forbid. >>> This is in violation of posix and the semantics we attempt to enforce in >>> linux. >> >> I might be completely wrong on this point (and I haven't looked at the patches), >> but I was under the impression that multi-threaded set[ug]id was implemented in >> userspace (by glibc's nptl(7) library that uses RT signals internally to get >> each thread to update their credentials). And given that, I wouldn't be >> surprised (as a user) that zombie threads will have stale credentials (glibc >> isn't running in those threads anymore). >> >> Am I mistaken in that belief? > > Would you be surprised if you learned that if your first thread > exits, it will become a zombie and persist for the lifetime of your > process? > > Furthermore all non-thread specific signals will permission check > against that first zombie thread. Ah okay, so it really is a matter of Linux's threadgroup semantics just not being "right" on a more fundamental level than nptl. > Which I think makes this surprising even if you know that setuid is > implemented in userspace. Quite surprising, thanks for the explanation. -- Aleksa Sarai Software Engineer (Containers) SUSE Linux GmbH https://www.cyphar.com/ ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH 00/26] Fixing wait, exit, ptrace, exec, and CLONE_THREAD [not found] ` <877f0pym71.fsf-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> 2017-06-06 19:40 ` Aleksa Sarai @ 2017-06-06 20:07 ` Linus Torvalds [not found] ` <CA+55aFze5rR+rGcG6kt=8PtfgAcs02jqQ7Gm-1=1MzkbA7_nqA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread From: Linus Torvalds @ 2017-06-06 20:07 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Eric W. Biederman Cc: Kees Cook, Roland McGrath, Linux API, Linux Containers, Linux Kernel Mailing List, Oleg Nesterov, David Howells, Al Viro, Thomas Gleixner, Ingo Molnar, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote: > > I am posting this patches in the hope of some review of the strategy I > am taking and to let the individual patches be reviewed. I'm trying to look through these, and finding (as usual) that the signal handling and exit code is extremely scary from a correctness and security standpoint. I really want Oleg to review/ack these. Oleg? I also would really really want to see the stuff that actually changes semantics split out. For example, I feel much less nervous about things like making the tasklist RCU-safe. So I'd like to see changes like that be separated out from the much scarier ones. Would that be possible? Hint hint.. Linus ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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* Re: [PATCH 00/26] Fixing wait, exit, ptrace, exec, and CLONE_THREAD [not found] ` <CA+55aFze5rR+rGcG6kt=8PtfgAcs02jqQ7Gm-1=1MzkbA7_nqA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org> @ 2017-06-07 15:59 ` Eric W. Biederman 0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread From: Eric W. Biederman @ 2017-06-07 15:59 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Linus Torvalds Cc: Kees Cook, Roland McGrath, Linux API, Linux Containers, Linux Kernel Mailing List, Oleg Nesterov, David Howells, Al Viro, Thomas Gleixner, Ingo Molnar, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) Linus Torvalds <torvalds-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org> writes: > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Eric W. Biederman > <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote: >> >> I am posting this patches in the hope of some review of the strategy I >> am taking and to let the individual patches be reviewed. > > I'm trying to look through these, and finding (as usual) that the > signal handling and exit code is extremely scary from a correctness > and security standpoint. > > I really want Oleg to review/ack these. Oleg? Definitely. The more review I can get the better. > I also would really really want to see the stuff that actually changes > semantics split out. > > For example, I feel much less nervous about things like making the > tasklist RCU-safe. So I'd like to see changes like that be separated > out from the much scarier ones. Would that be possible? Hint hint.. The patches that I posted are the ones that I would really like to have ready for the 4.13 merge window. They are supposed to be the least scary patches that don't really depend on anything else, and the semantic changes. After a first brush with code review the non-scary patches wind up just being these. [PATCH 01/26] alpha: Remove unused TASK_GROUP_LEADER [PATCH 02/26] cgroup: Don't open code tasklist_empty() [PATCH 05/26] exit: Remove the pointless clearing of SIGPENDING in __exit_signal [PATCH 07/26] pidns: Improve the error handling in alloc_pid [PATCH 08/26] exit: Make the runqueue rcu safe This turns out to have a dependency I overlooked so I am dropping it for now. [PATCH 06/26] rlimit: Remove unnecessary grab of tasklist_lock There is a small pair of a semantic change and it's dependency: [PATCH 03/26] signal: Do not perform permission checks when sending pdeath_signal [PATCH 04/26] signal: Make group_send_sig_info static There is a teeny tiny semantic change: [PATCH 09/26] signal: Don't allow sending SIGKILL or SIGSTOP to init The deeply related scarier changes (+ indicates it includes a semantic change): [PATCH 10/26] ptrace: Simplify ptrace_detach & exit_ptrace +[PATCH 11/26] wait: Properly implement __WCLONE handling in the presence of exec and ptrace [PATCH 12/26] wait: Directly test for the two cases where wait_task_zombie is called [PATCH 13/26] wait: Remove unused delay_group_leader +[PATCH 14/26] wait: Move changing of ptrace from wait_consider_task into wait_task_stopped +[PATCH 15/26] wait: Don't delay !ptrace_reparented leaders +[PATCH 16/26] exit: Fix reporting a ptraced !reparented leader has exited [PATCH 17/26] exit: Rework the exit states for ptracees +[PATCH 18/26] wait: Fix WSTOPPED on a ptraced child [PATCH 19/26] wait: Simpler code for clearing notask_error in wait_consider_task [PATCH 20/26] wait: Don't pass the list to wait_consider_task [PATCH 21/26] wait: Optmize waitpid +[PATCH 22/26] exit: Fix auto-wait of ptraced children +[PATCH 23/26] signal: Fix SIGCONT before group stop completes. +[PATCH 24/26] signal: In ptrace_stop improve identical signal detection +[PATCH 25/26] signal: In ptrace_stop use CLD_TRAPPED in all ptrace signals +[PATCH 26/26] pidns: Ensure zap_pid_ns_processes always terminates Out of my 170 or so total changes those are the bulk of the semantic changes and definitely the scariest. Even those above are very conservative and are really just about sorting out the weirdness in the semantics when we are ptracing our own child which causes wait and the siginfo of SIGCHLD to have two sets of meanings. I am hoping we can just get 1,2,5,7, and 8 reviewed and I can just apply them to my for-next branch. If I need to repost I will respect the split-out I have described above. At this point I am happy to see that people are not scared when I suggest killing the concept of the thread group leader. Eric ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 6+ messages in thread
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