From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
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Subject: Re: [CFT][PATCH 7/8] userns: Add a knob to disable setgroups on a per user namespace basis
Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 19:09:03 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87iohh3c9c.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87wq5zf83t.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org> (Eric W. Biederman's message of "Wed, 10 Dec 2014 16:33:26 -0600")
ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman) writes:
> Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org> writes:
>
>> On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Eric W.Biederman <ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On December 9, 2014 4:28:38 PM CST, Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>>On Tue, Dec 9, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Eric W. Biederman
>>>><ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> - Expose the knob to user space through a proc file
>>>>/proc/<pid>/setgroups
>>>>>
>>>>> A value of "deny" means the setgroups system call is disabled in
>>>>the
>>>>> current processes user namespace and can not be enabled in the
>>>>> future in this user namespace.
>>>>>
>>>>> A value of "allow" means the segtoups system call is enabled.
>>>>>
>>>>> - Descendant user namespaces inherit the value of setgroups from
>>>>> their parents.
>>>>>
>>>>> - A proc file is used (instead of a sysctl) as sysctls
>>>>> currently do not pass in a struct file so file_ns_capable
>>>>> is unusable.
>>>>
>>>>Reviewed-by: Andy Lutomirski <luto-kltTT9wpgjJwATOyAt5JVQ@public.gmane.org>
>>>>
>>>>But I still don't like the name "setgroups". People may look at that
>>>>and have no clue what the scope of the setting is. And anyone who, as
>>>>root, writes "deny" to /proc/self/setgroups, thinking that it acts on
>>>>self, will be in for a surprise.
>>>
>>> True setgroups isn't perfect. Documenting it in a manpage may have to be enough. The only real improvement I can think of would be to make the setting a sysctl. But I think pursuing that approaches the point where perfection is the enemy of getting this problem fixed.
>>>
>>
>> Would "userns_setgroups" be okay?
>
> Maybe.
>
> I just played with this and this is a much bigger booby trap than I had
> realized. Disabling setgroups disables the possibility of logging in the
> future and since it is a one way switch the only way out is to reboot.
>
> Hooray our software checks the returns of setgroups. Booh. This is a
> really nasty knob to have anywhere.
>
> I need to think about this a little bit. Giving root the power to shoot
> himself in the foot is one thing. Giving root a loaded gun pointed at
> his foot with the hammer pulled back, and a sign that says I dare you to
> pull the trigger, seems like a bad idea.
>
> I think I need to reduce when that knob can be used. Grr.
> Back to the drawing board!
I tried out a bunch of things and finally found a simple rule. Don't
allow setgroups to be disabled after setgroups has been enabled in a
user namespace. Or in practical terms don't allow setgroups to be
disabled after the gid_map has been set.
Which in practice pretty nearly means that we are only allowing writes
to setgroups when it is a single process and it's eventual children that
can be affected.
At which point I don't think a name change would make things any
clearer.
I have also updated the code to move the permission checks to open
where they belong (doh!). Patch follows.
Eric
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2014-12-02 12:09 ` [PATCH v2] userns: Disallow setgroups unless the gid_map writer is privileged Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-02 18:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-02 19:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-02 20:13 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-02 20:25 ` [CFT][PATCH 1/3] userns: Avoid problems with negative groups Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-02 20:28 ` [CFT][PATCH 2/3] userns: Add a knob to disable setgroups on a per user namespace basis Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <874mtdyexp.fsf_-_-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-02 20:30 ` [CFT][PATCH 3/3] userns: Unbreak the unprivileged remount tests Eric W. Biederman
2014-12-02 21:05 ` [CFT][PATCH 2/3] userns: Add a knob to disable setgroups on a per user namespace basis Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-02 21:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-02 22:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-02 23:07 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-02 23:17 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-08 22:06 ` [CFT][PATCH 1/7] userns: Document what the invariant required for safe unprivileged mappings Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-08 22:07 ` [CFT][PATCH 2/7] userns: Don't allow setgroups until a gid mapping has been setablished Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-08 22:11 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-08 22:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-08 22:33 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-08 22:17 ` Richard Weinberger
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2014-12-08 22:25 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-08 22:27 ` Richard Weinberger
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2014-12-08 22:39 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-08 22:47 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-08 22:07 ` [CFT][PATCH 3/7] userns: Don't allow unprivileged creation of gid mappings Eric W. Biederman
2014-12-08 22:08 ` [CFT][PATCH 4/7] userns: Check euid no fsuid when establishing an unprivileged uid mapping Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87y4qhpzfj.fsf_-_-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-08 22:12 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-08 22:10 ` [CFT][PATCH 5/7] userns: Only allow the creator of the userns unprivileged mappings Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87sigppzch.fsf_-_-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-08 22:15 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-08 22:11 ` [CFT][PATCH 6/7] userns: Add a knob to disable setgroups on a per user namespace basis Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-08 22:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-08 22:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-08 22:48 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-08 23:30 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-09 19:31 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-09 20:36 ` [CFT][PATCH 1/8] userns: Document what the invariant required for safe unprivileged mappings Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-09 20:38 ` [CFT][PATCH 2/8] userns: Don't allow setgroups until a gid mapping has been setablished Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87d27slfsw.fsf_-_-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-09 22:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-09 20:39 ` [CFT][PATCH 3/8] userns: Don't allow unprivileged creation of gid mappings Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <874mt4lfr6.fsf_-_-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-09 23:00 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-09 20:39 ` [CFT][PATCH 4/8] userns: Check euid no fsuid when establishing an unprivileged uid mapping Eric W. Biederman
2014-12-09 20:41 ` [CFT][PATCH 5/8] userns: Only allow the creator of the userns unprivileged mappings Eric W. Biederman
2014-12-09 20:41 ` [CFT][PATCH 6/8] userns: Rename id_map_mutex to userns_state_mutex Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87mw6wk12i.fsf_-_-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2014-12-09 22:49 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-09 20:42 ` [CFT][PATCH 7/8] userns: Add a knob to disable setgroups on a per user namespace basis Eric W. Biederman
2014-12-09 20:43 ` [CFT][PATCH 8/8] userns: Allow setting gid_maps without privilege when setgroups is disabled Eric W. Biederman
2014-12-10 16:39 ` [CFT] Can I get some Tested-By's on this series? Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-09 22:28 ` [CFT][PATCH 7/8] userns: Add a knob to disable setgroups on a per user namespace basis Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-10 0:04 ` Eric W.Biederman
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2014-12-10 0:21 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-10 22:33 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-12 1:09 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
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2014-12-12 1:30 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-12 1:31 ` [CFT][PATCH v6] " Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-12 21:52 ` [PATCH 0/2] Documenting user namespace changes Eric W. Biederman
2014-12-12 21:54 ` [PATCH 1/2] proc.5: Document /proc/[pid]/setgroups Eric W. Biederman
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2015-02-02 15:36 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2015-02-11 8:01 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2015-02-11 13:51 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2015-02-12 13:53 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2015-02-21 7:57 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-03-03 11:39 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2014-12-12 21:54 ` [PATCH 2/2] user_namespaces.7: Update the documention to reflect the fixes for negative groups Eric W. Biederman
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2015-02-02 15:37 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-02-02 21:31 ` Alban Crequy
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2015-03-04 14:00 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2015-02-11 8:02 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2015-02-11 14:01 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2015-02-12 10:11 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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2014-12-10 22:48 ` [CFT] Can I get some Tested-By's on this series? Serge Hallyn
2014-12-10 22:50 ` Richard Weinberger
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2014-12-10 23:19 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-11 19:27 ` Richard Weinberger
2014-12-12 6:56 ` Chen, Hanxiao
2014-12-13 22:31 ` serge-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA
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2014-12-15 19:38 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-12-15 20:11 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-15 20:49 ` Serge Hallyn
2014-12-16 2:05 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-16 9:23 ` Richard Weinberger
2014-12-08 22:14 ` [CFT][PATCH 7/7] userns: Allow setting gid_maps without privilege when setgroups is disabled Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-08 22:26 ` Andy Lutomirski
2014-12-02 20:58 ` [CFT][PATCH 1/3] userns: Avoid problems with negative groups Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-02 21:26 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-02 22:09 ` Andy Lutomirski
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2014-12-02 22:48 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2014-12-02 22:56 ` Andy Lutomirski
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