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From: ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org (Eric W. Biederman)
To: "Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: containers-cunTk1MwBs9QetFLy7KEm3xJsTq8ys+cHZ5vskTnxNA@public.gmane.org,
	Andrew Morton
	<akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>,
	Paul Menage <menage-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/3][V2] remove the ns_cgroup
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 13:45:26 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <m1zkv2ncex.fsf@fess.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20100927203658.GA5320-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org> (Serge E. Hallyn's message of "Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:36:58 -0500")

"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge.hallyn-Z7WLFzj8eWMS+FvcfC7Uqw@public.gmane.org> writes:

> Quoting Andrew Morton (akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org):
>> On Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:14:10 +0200
>> Daniel Lezcano <daniel.lezcano-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>> 
>> > The ns_cgroup is a control group interacting with the namespaces.
>> > When a new namespace is created, a corresponding cgroup is 
>> > automatically created too. The cgroup name is the pid of the process
>> > who did 'unshare' or the child of 'clone'.
>> > 
>> > This cgroup is tied with the namespace because it prevents a
>> > process to escape the control group and use the post_clone callback,
>> > so the child cgroup inherits the values of the parent cgroup.
>> > 
>> > Unfortunately, the more we use this cgroup and the more we are facing
>> > problems with it:
>> > 
>> >  (1) when a process unshares, the cgroup name may conflict with a previous
>> >  cgroup with the same pid, so unshare or clone return -EEXIST
>> > 
>> >  (2) the cgroup creation is out of control because there may have an
>> >  application creating several namespaces where the system will automatically
>> >  create several cgroups in his back and let them on the cgroupfs (eg. a vrf
>> >  based on the network namespace).
>> > 
>> >  (3) the mix of (1) and (2) force an administrator to regularly check and
>> >  clean these cgroups.
>> > 
>> > This patchset removes the ns_cgroup by adding a new flag to the cgroup
>> > and the cgroupfs mount option. It enables the copy of the parent cgroup
>> > when a child cgroup is created. We can then safely remove the ns_cgroup as
>> > this flag brings a compatibility. We have now to manually create and add the
>> > task to a cgroup, which is consistent with the cgroup framework.
>> 
>> So this is a non-backward-compatible userspace-visible change?
>
> Yes, it is.
>

We have always been able to compile out the ns cgroup right?

In which case this is not a backwards incompatible change so much
as the permanent removal of a borked kernel feature.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2010-09-27 20:45 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 17+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-09-27 10:14 [PATCH 0/3][V2] remove the ns_cgroup Daniel Lezcano
     [not found] ` <1285582453-6127-1-git-send-email-daniel.lezcano-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-27 10:14   ` [PATCH 1/3][V2] cgroup : add clone_children control file Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]     ` <1285582453-6127-2-git-send-email-daniel.lezcano-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-27 13:34       ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-09-27 14:11       ` Balbir Singh
2010-09-29 23:12       ` Paul Menage
2010-09-27 10:14   ` [PATCH 2/3][V2] cgroup : make the mount options parsing more accurate Daniel Lezcano
2010-09-27 10:14   ` [PATCH 3/3][V2] cgroup : remove the ns_cgroup Daniel Lezcano
2010-09-27 19:57   ` [PATCH 0/3][V2] " Andrew Morton
     [not found]     ` <20100927125741.0df22f09.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-27 20:36       ` Serge E. Hallyn
     [not found]         ` <20100927203658.GA5320-A9i7LUbDfNHQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-27 20:45           ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
     [not found]             ` <m1zkv2ncex.fsf-+imSwln9KH6u2/kzUuoCbdi2O/JbrIOy@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-27 20:50               ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]                 ` <20100927135025.74e297c3.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-27 21:13                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2010-09-27 20:46           ` Andrew Morton
     [not found]             ` <20100927134619.ecefe9f4.akpm-de/tnXTf+JLsfHDXvbKv3WD2FQJk+8+b@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-27 20:53               ` Serge E. Hallyn
2010-09-28 13:50               ` Daniel Lezcano
     [not found]                 ` <4CA1F299.3000603-GANU6spQydw@public.gmane.org>
2010-09-28 21:27                   ` Andrew Morton
2010-09-27 20:43       ` Daniel Lezcano

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