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From: Gerrit Renker <gerrit@erg.abdn.ac.uk>
To: dccp@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/25]: Avoid accumulation of large send credit
Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2007 16:23:15 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200704151723.15084@strip-the-willow> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200703211844.12007@strip-the-willow>

|  Thus the RTT measurement is EXPLICITLY fed in to the throughput 
|  equation.  In TCP the RTT measurement mostly just feeds in to the RTO, which 
|  is why the protocol's behavior is less sensitive to the measurement.
|  
|  DCCP *MIGHT* work just fine with the inflated RTT measurements (i.e. the RTT 
|  including IP processing) but there is yet another gerrit missive to work 
|  through to see how real that complaint is.
|  
|  A less aggressive version of "turn off RTT for LANs" would be simply to 
|  subtract an estimate of the IP<->card path's cost from the measured coarse 
|  RTT.  This would fix the problem.  If you used a stable minimum estimate, the 
|  RTT would naturally "inflate" when the host was busy, which as Ian points out 
|  is what we actually want.  How to obtain an estimate?  Probably anything would 
|  do, including something derived at boot time from BogoMIPS.
Such an estimate is difficult to obtain - I get completely different results on
different computers; depending on the card (ee100 with NAPI is fine, my cheapo RTL 8139
on the other hand makes a lot of noise). Some practical figures are:

 * when the timestamps get taken at arrive time, the RTT values are very close to what ping
   reports (e.g. 100 ... 1,100 usec on a LAN);

 * when the timestamps get taken in the CCID3 module, the RTT values are roughly up to 10
   times larger (5 milliseconds on a link with a 500usec link RTT was frequently the case)


  parent reply	other threads:[~2007-04-15 16:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 28+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-03-21 18:44 [PATCH 2/25]: Avoid accumulation of large send credit Gerrit Renker
2007-03-26  2:33 ` Ian McDonald
2007-04-10 17:24 ` Eddie Kohler
2007-04-11 14:50 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-04-11 15:43 ` Eddie Kohler
2007-04-11 22:45 ` Ian McDonald
2007-04-12 11:40 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-04-12 12:55 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-04-12 14:39 ` Eddie Kohler
2007-04-13 18:27 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-04-13 20:37 ` Eddie Kohler
2007-04-13 20:58 ` David Miller
2007-04-13 21:45 ` Ian McDonald
2007-04-13 23:43 ` Eddie Kohler
2007-04-14  5:51 ` Eddie Kohler
2007-04-15 15:44 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-04-15 15:56 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-04-15 16:23 ` Gerrit Renker [this message]
2007-04-15 16:41 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-04-18 16:16 ` [dccp] " Colin Perkins
2007-04-18 16:48 ` Lars Eggert
2007-04-18 18:32 ` vlad.gm
2007-04-18 18:34 ` vlad.gm
2007-04-20  9:45 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-04-20 10:20 ` Ian McDonald
2007-04-20 10:56 ` Colin Perkins
2007-04-20 11:31 ` Gerrit Renker
2007-04-24 22:50 ` Colin Perkins

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