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From: test532@codingninjas.org
To: dm-crypt@saout.de
Subject: Re: [dm-crypt] cryptsetup, LUKS, plausible deniability
Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 20:04:48 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <200909142004.49035.test532@codingninjas.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <slrnhatlce.qfd.Mario.Holbe@darkside.dyn.samba-tng.org>

> Arno Wagner <arno@wagner.name> wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 01:25:48PM +0200, Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe wrote:
> >> and the system gives you the ability to plausibly deny the existence of
> >> more keys. Just in the hope they stop cutting your extremities after the
> >
> > I would say plausible deniability has the potential to make
> > them continue even after you have given them everything, after
> 
> Of course. For me (if I'd be in that business) just the presence of a
> system offering plausible deniability capabilities would be enough to
> simply assume they are used and thus continue pressing out keys of the
> suspect :)

That is the beauty of a dm-crypt that supported even just the very elegant 
external luks header feature that Rick mentioned. dm-crypt comes with 
practically every linux. Therefor, having dm-crypt installed on one's system 
means nothing. Potentially, even only with the feature that Rick came up with, 
dm-crypt would be better at plausible deniability than TrueCrypt. This is 
because having TrueCrypt installed on your system pretty much guarantees that 
you have an encrypted volume. Having dm-crypt on your system means nothing. 
Probably less than a percent of people with dm-crypt installed actually use 
it, since at least my distro (SuSE) installs it by default.

> 
> However, not offering such capabilities is only one strategy in the game
> - and not a very cooperative one: it exposes the users of systems that
> *do* offer such capabilities. Thus, the other way around is more
> cooperative: if all major products would support plausible deniability,
> the fact that some suspect uses one specific system loses this
> indication.
> 
> 
> regards
>    Mario
> 

  reply	other threads:[~2009-09-15  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-09-12 21:53 [dm-crypt] cryptsetup, LUKS, plausible deniability Ivan Stankovic
2009-09-12 22:22 ` Arno Wagner
2009-09-13  8:56   ` Tommaso
2009-09-13  9:07     ` [dm-crypt] OT: spam? Tommaso
2009-09-13  9:12       ` Rick Moritz
2009-09-13 10:00       ` Heinz Diehl
2009-09-13 18:37       ` Arno Wagner
2009-09-13 18:36     ` [dm-crypt] cryptsetup, LUKS, plausible deniability Arno Wagner
2009-09-13 19:44       ` Ivan Stankovic
2009-09-14  3:32         ` Arno Wagner
2009-09-14  7:28           ` Rick Moritz
2009-09-14 21:04             ` Arno Wagner
2009-09-13 18:04   ` Sven Eschenberg
     [not found]   ` <4AACA98F.2060002@redhat.com>
2009-09-13 18:28     ` Arno Wagner
2009-09-13 18:52       ` Milan Broz
2009-09-14  1:21   ` Sitaram Chamarty
2009-09-14 11:25   ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2009-09-14 20:56     ` Arno Wagner
2009-09-14 23:45       ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2009-09-15  0:04         ` test532 [this message]
     [not found]           ` <6842.57094185359$1253045311@news.gmane.org>
2009-09-16 19:32             ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2009-09-16 21:41               ` Debian User
2009-09-17 18:26                 ` test532
2009-09-18  1:20                   ` Arno Wagner
2009-09-18  4:00                     ` test532
     [not found]       ` <20090915200808.2DD0F4250006@tansi.org>
2009-09-15 20:32         ` Arno Wagner
2009-09-16 19:41           ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2009-09-16 21:30             ` Arno Wagner
2009-09-16  1:50       ` Moji
2009-09-16 19:50         ` Mario 'BitKoenig' Holbe
2009-09-16 21:05           ` test532

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