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From: Stephen Hemminger <stephen@networkplumber.org>
To: Wathsala Vithanage <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com>
Cc: dev@dpdk.org, Konstantin Ananyev <konstantin.ananyev@huawei.com>,
	Marat Khalili <qm2k21@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 01/29] bpf: replace deprecated SMP barriers with C11 fences
Date: Fri, 9 Oct 2026 08:48:50 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20261009084744.046a7200@phoenix.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b9d3cb13-e34f-406d-ac18-345fede8bc5b@arm.com>

On Fri, 9 Oct 2026 01:05:56 -0500
Wathsala Vithanage <wathsala.vithanage@arm.com> wrote:

> >   /*
> >    * Marks given callback as used by datapath.
> >    */
> >   static __rte_always_inline void
> >   bpf_eth_cbi_inuse(struct bpf_eth_cbi *cbi)
> >   {
> > -	cbi->use++;
> > -	/* make sure no store/load reordering could happen */
> > -	rte_smp_mb();
> > +	rte_atomic_store_explicit(&cbi->use,
> > +		rte_atomic_load_explicit(&cbi->use, rte_memory_order_relaxed) + 1,
> > +		rte_memory_order_relaxed);
> > +
> > +	/* full barrier: count must be visible before cb is read */
> > +	rte_atomic_thread_fence(rte_memory_order_seq_cst);  
> 
> This is correct but why use a barrier when the above store itself could 
> be SEQ_CST that
> synchronizes with load in bpf_eth_cbi_wait?

There are two different things be covered for safety here.
The counter and the callback pointer. The counter uses atomic
operations and the callback pointer is referenced without atomic.

AI explains it as:

A seq_cst store on the counter is not enough. This is a store/load
pattern across two objects:

  datapath: store use, load cb
  unload:   store cb,  load use

At least one side has to see the other's store. Making the store
of use seq_cst does not order the datapath's later load of cb,
which is a plain load. On arm64 that compiles to stlr followed by
ldr, and the ldr can be satisfied before the stlr is visible.
Only stlr/ldar pairs are kept in order.

It can be done without fences by making cb atomic and using
seq_cst for all four accesses (stlr + ldar on arm64). That touches
every callback and is a bigger change than replacing the barriers,
so I would rather do it as a follow-up if at all.

There is no cost difference on x86. A seq_cst store is xchg and
the fence is lock addl, one locked instruction per burst either
way.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-09 16:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 131+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-29 17:53 [RFC 00/32] remove rte_smp barrier functions Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:53 ` [RFC 01/32] bpf: replace deprecated SMP barriers with C11 fences Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-30  8:48   ` Marat Khalili
2026-07-30 11:19     ` Marat Khalili
2026-07-30 12:51       ` Konstantin Ananyev
2026-07-30  9:23   ` Konstantin Ananyev
2026-07-29 17:53 ` [RFC 02/32] test: remove test for rte_smp_mb Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-30  7:25   ` Konstantin Ananyev
2026-07-29 17:53 ` [RFC 03/32] bus/vmbus: fix ring buffer ordering on weakly ordered CPUs Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-05  1:22   ` [EXTERNAL] " Long Li
2026-07-29 17:53 ` [RFC 04/32] bus/vmbus: fix missing acquire on receive ring index Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-05  1:23   ` [EXTERNAL] " Long Li
2026-07-29 17:53 ` [RFC 05/32] bus/vmbus: replace SMP barriers with C11 memory fences Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-13 21:41   ` [EXTERNAL] " Long Li
2026-07-29 17:53 ` [RFC 06/32] baseband: convert rte_smp_rmb to fence Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 07/32] net/hinic: replace rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 08/32] net/intel: " Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-13 10:17   ` Bruce Richardson
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 09/32] crypto_caam_jr: " Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-06  6:10   ` Hemant Agrawal
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 10/32] net/virtio: replcae rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 11/32] net/thunderx: replace rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 12/32] stack: always use C11 memory model implementation Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-31 14:53   ` Morten Brørup
2026-08-01 15:25     ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-01 17:01     ` Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-02  6:33       ` Morten Brørup
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 13/32] ring: replace SMP read barrier with C11 acquire fence Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-30  8:16   ` Konstantin Ananyev
2026-07-31 14:47   ` Morten Brørup
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 14/32] crypto/virtio: update comment reference to rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 15/32] event/sw: fix unlinks in progress counter races Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-13 10:38   ` Bruce Richardson
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 16/32] event/sw: replace SMP barriers with C11 atomics Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 17/32] eal/x86: move optimized fence out of SMP barrier Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-30  7:27   ` Konstantin Ananyev
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 18/32] common/octeontx: remove redundant barrier in mbox Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 19/32] crypto/caam_jr: use IO barrier before job ring doorbell Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-06  6:11   ` Hemant Agrawal
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 20/32] crypto/octeontx: use IO barrier before doorbell Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 21/32] mempool/octeontx: use IO barrier in pool destroy Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 22/32] event/octeontx: replace deprecated SMP barriers Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 23/32] event/dpaa2: replace deprecated barrier in selftest Stephen Hemminger
2026-08-06  6:11   ` Hemant Agrawal
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 24/32] event/dsw: replace SMP barriers with release fences Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-31  4:37   ` Mattias Rönnblom
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 25/32] event/opdl: replace SMP barriers with C11 atomics Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 26/32] net/netvsc: replace SMP barrier in RNDIS response Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 27/32] net/thunderx: replace deprecated SMP barriers Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 28/32] net/virtio: replace deprecated barrier in avail index update Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 29/32] eal: remove stale SMP barrier in rte_service Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 30/32] eal: remove rte_smp_XX Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 31/32] checkpatches: no longer warn about rte_smp_XX Stephen Hemminger
2026-07-29 17:54 ` [RFC 32/32] doc: update release notes about rte_smp_XX removal Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:09 ` [PATCH v2 00/33] remove rte_smp_XX barrier Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:09   ` [PATCH v2 01/33] bpf: replace deprecated SMP barriers with C11 fences Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-21  8:36     ` Marat Khalili
2026-09-23  9:49     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2026-09-20 18:09   ` [PATCH v2 02/33] bus/vmbus: remove packed attribute from ring buffer Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-21  8:37     ` [EXTERNAL] " Wei Hu
2026-09-20 18:09   ` [PATCH v2 03/33] bus/vmbus: fix ring buffer ordering on weakly ordered CPUs Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-21  8:39     ` [EXTERNAL] " Wei Hu
2026-09-20 18:09   ` [PATCH v2 04/33] bus/vmbus: fix missing acquire on receive ring index Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-21  8:40     ` [EXTERNAL] " Wei Hu
2026-09-20 18:09   ` [PATCH v2 05/33] bus/vmbus: replace SMP barriers with C11 memory fences Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-21  8:40     ` [EXTERNAL] " Wei Hu
2026-09-20 18:09   ` [PATCH v2 06/33] drivers/baseband: convert rte_smp_rmb to fence Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:09   ` [PATCH v2 07/33] net/hinic: replace rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 08/33] net/intel: " Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 09/33] net/virtio: " Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 10/33] net/thunderx: " Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 11/33] stack: always use C11 memory model implementation Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 12/33] ring: replace SMP read barrier with C11 acquire fence Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 13/33] crypto/virtio: update comment reference to rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 14/33] crypto/caam_jr: replace rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 15/33] crypto/caam_jr: use IO barrier before job ring doorbell Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 16/33] crypto/octeontx: use IO barrier before doorbell Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 17/33] event/sw: fix unlinks in progress counter races Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 18/33] event/sw: replace SMP barriers with C11 atomics Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 19/33] test/barrier: test sequentially consistent fence only Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-04 12:57     ` Konstantin Ananyev
2026-10-05 13:45       ` Sun Yuechi
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 20/33] eal/x86: move optimized fence out of SMP barrier Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 21/33] common/octeontx: remove redundant barrier in mbox Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 22/33] mempool/octeontx: use IO barrier in pool destroy Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 23/33] event/octeontx: replace deprecated SMP barriers Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 24/33] event/dpaa2: replace deprecated barrier in selftest Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 25/33] event/dsw: replace SMP barriers with release fences Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 26/33] event/opdl: replace SMP barriers with C11 atomics Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 27/33] net/netvsc: replace SMP barrier in RNDIS response Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-21  9:00     ` [EXTERNAL] " Wei Hu
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 28/33] net/thunderx: replace deprecated SMP barriers Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 29/33] net/virtio: replace deprecated barrier in avail index update Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 30/33] eal: remove stale SMP barrier in rte_service Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 31/33] eal: remove rte_smp_XX Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 32/33] checkpatches: no longer warn about rte_smp_XX Stephen Hemminger
2026-09-20 18:10   ` [PATCH v2 33/33] doc: update release notes about rte_smp_XX removal Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-07 15:29   ` [PATCH v2 00/33] remove rte_smp_XX barrier David Marchand
2026-10-08 23:34 ` [PATCH v3 00/29] remove rte_smp_XX barriers Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:34   ` [PATCH v3 01/29] bpf: replace deprecated SMP barriers with C11 fences Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-09  6:05     ` Wathsala Vithanage
2026-10-09 15:48       ` Stephen Hemminger [this message]
2026-10-08 23:34   ` [PATCH v3 02/29] bus/vmbus: remove packed attribute from ring buffer Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:34   ` [PATCH v3 03/29] bus/vmbus: fix ring buffer ordering on weakly ordered CPUs Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:34   ` [PATCH v3 04/29] bus/vmbus: fix missing acquire on receive ring index Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:34   ` [PATCH v3 05/29] bus/vmbus: replace SMP barriers with C11 memory fences Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:34   ` [PATCH v3 06/29] drivers/baseband: convert rte_smp_rmb to fence Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 07/29] net/hinic: replace rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 08/29] net/intel: " Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 09/29] net/virtio: " Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 10/29] net/thunderx: replace deprecated SMP barriers Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 11/29] stack: always use C11 memory model implementation Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 12/29] ring: replace SMP read barrier with C11 acquire fence Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-09  4:05     ` Wathsala Vithanage
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 13/29] crypto/virtio: update comment reference to rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 14/29] crypto/caam_jr: replace rte_smp_rmb Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 15/29] crypto/caam_jr: use IO barrier before job ring doorbell Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 16/29] crypto/octeontx: use IO barrier before doorbell Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 17/29] event/sw: fix unlinks in progress counter races Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 18/29] event/sw: replace SMP barriers with C11 atomics Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 19/29] test/barrier: convert to " Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 20/29] eal/x86: move optimized fence out of SMP barrier Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 21/29] common/octeontx: remove redundant barrier in mbox Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 22/29] mempool/octeontx: use IO barrier in pool destroy Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 23/29] event/octeontx: replace deprecated SMP barriers Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 24/29] event/dpaa2: replace deprecated barrier in selftest Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 25/29] event/dsw: replace SMP barriers with release fences Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 26/29] event/opdl: replace SMP barriers with C11 atomics Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 27/29] net/virtio: replace deprecated barrier in avail index update Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 28/29] eal: remove stale SMP barrier in rte_service Stephen Hemminger
2026-10-08 23:35   ` [PATCH v3 29/29] eal: remove rte_smp_XX Stephen Hemminger

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