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From: Harry Wentland <harry.wentland-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
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Subject: Re: RFC for a render API to support adaptive sync and VRR
Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2018 16:00:21 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <435ebd04-0435-5a6a-9f1e-e4c4fc629aa9@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <c79421ce-9408-5cd6-5de3-0fa521146e4b-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>

Adding dri-devel, which I should've included from the start.

On 2018-04-09 03:56 PM, Harry Wentland wrote:
> === What is adaptive sync and VRR? ===
> 
> Adaptive sync has been part of the DisplayPort spec for a while now and allows graphics adapters to drive displays with varying frame timings. VRR (variable refresh rate) is essentially the same, but defined for HDMI.
> 
> 
> 
> === Why allow variable frame timings? ===
> 
> Variable render times don't align with fixed refresh rates, leading to
> stuttering, tearing, and/or input lag.
> 
> e.g. (rc = render completion, dr = display refresh)
> 
> rc       B          C            D            E      F
> dr	A	B	C	C	D	E	F
> 
>                     ^             ^        
> 		  frame         missed     
> 		 repeated	display    
> 		  twice	        refresh   
> 
> 
> 
> === Other use cases of adaptive sync ====
> 
> Beside the variable render case, adaptive sync also allows adjustment of refresh rates without a mode change. One such use case would be 24 Hz video.
> 
> 
> 
> === A DRM render API to support variable refresh rates ===
> 
> In order to benefit from adaptive sync and VRR userland needs a way to let us know whether to vary frame timings or to target a different frame time. These can be provided as atomic properties on a CRTC:
>  * bool	variable_refresh_compatible
>  * int	target_frame_duration_ns (nanosecond frame duration)
> 
> This gives us the following cases:
> 
> variable_refresh_compatible = 0, target_frame_duration_ns = 0
>  * drive monitor at timing's normal refresh rate
> 
> variable_refresh_compatible = 1, target_frame_duration_ns = 0
>  * send new frame to monitor as soon as it's available, if within min/max of monitor's reported capabilities
> 
> variable_refresh_compatible = 0/1, target_frame_duration_ns = > 0
>  * send new frame to monitor with the specified target_frame_duration_ns
> 
> When a target_frame_duration_ns or variable_refresh_compatible cannot be supported the atomic check will reject the commit.
> 
> 
> 
> === Previous discussions ===
> 
> https://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/dri-devel/2017-October/155207.html
> 
> 
> 
> === Feedback and moving forward ===
> 
> I'm hoping to get some feedback on this or continue the discussion on how adaptive sync / VRR might look like in the DRM ecosystem. Once there are no major concerns or objections left we'll probably start creating some patches to sketch this out a bit better and see how it looks in practice.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Harry
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       reply	other threads:[~2018-04-09 20:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <c79421ce-9408-5cd6-5de3-0fa521146e4b@amd.com>
     [not found] ` <c79421ce-9408-5cd6-5de3-0fa521146e4b-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-09 20:00   ` Harry Wentland [this message]
     [not found]     ` <435ebd04-0435-5a6a-9f1e-e4c4fc629aa9-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-09 21:45       ` RFC for a render API to support adaptive sync and VRR Manasi Navare
     [not found]         ` <20180409214554.GB13967-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10  6:45           ` Christian König
2018-04-10  7:37             ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]               ` <b75e31f7-ce59-de97-5445-cb4c03ff7336-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 15:08                 ` Harry Wentland
     [not found]                   ` <ae9992e5-43ab-9636-13e1-8a5c692480b5-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 15:28                     ` Christian König
2018-04-10 15:35                     ` Cyr, Aric
2018-04-10 15:43                       ` Christian König
     [not found]                         ` <fc53ce53-f02c-891d-4aa5-e9a11cbe3007-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 16:26                           ` Cyr, Aric
     [not found]                             ` <MWHPR12MB1837488A047C03E955282A4182BE0-Gy0DoCVfaSXe1Hf+mWOIywdYzm3356FpvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 16:37                               ` Nicolai Hähnle
     [not found]                                 ` <54baa87e-33a9-bd69-a309-d61176eb4e8d-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 17:52                                   ` Harry Wentland
     [not found]                             ` <063d6dff-2b97-ef01-12bb-8a24125a58ec@daenzer.net>
2018-04-10 17:13                               ` Cyr, Aric
     [not found]                                 ` <65006f34-39b9-5aca-e0c0-77a591b69c3a@daenzer.net>
     [not found]                                   ` <65006f34-39b9-5aca-e0c0-77a591b69c3a-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 17:25                                     ` Cyr, Aric
     [not found]                                       ` <f85e3590-b283-843b-12d0-5f6f0c4c0952@amd.com>
2018-04-10 21:45                                         ` Cyr, Aric
2018-04-11  6:57                                           ` Nicolai Hähnle
     [not found]                                             ` <72c1d357-db72-b181-9421-04f99b3bbf2f-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-11  9:50                                               ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]                                                 ` <2005817c-09c0-aebe-bb96-9e22d6f16df5-otUistvHUpPR7s880joybQ@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-11 23:30                                                   ` Cyr, Aric
     [not found]                                                     ` <MWHPR12MB1837F8120B126FA3A4CE899982BD0-Gy0DoCVfaSXe1Hf+mWOIywdYzm3356FpvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-12  8:48                                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-12 11:39                                                     ` Nicolai Hähnle
     [not found]                                                       ` <a5b5c31f-e7c5-8ae0-1239-06bfa86b939b-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-12 14:57                                                         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-12 17:39                                                         ` Harry Wentland
2018-04-11 10:28                                       ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-11 15:45                             ` Michel Dänzer
     [not found]                       ` <MWHPR12MB1837C57016A470A5199E855282BE0-Gy0DoCVfaSXe1Hf+mWOIywdYzm3356FpvxpqHgZTriW3zl9H0oFU5g@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-10 17:13                         ` Michel Dänzer
2018-04-12 21:38                 ` Stéphane Marchesin
2018-04-13 19:24                   ` Harry Wentland
2018-04-18  3:58                 ` Keith Packard
2018-04-18  7:39                   ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-20 20:32                     ` Manasi Navare
     [not found]                       ` <20180420203240.GA9472-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-21 10:30                         ` Daniel Stone
2018-04-23 14:40                         ` Harry Wentland
2018-04-23 21:19                           ` Manasi Navare
     [not found]                             ` <20180423211944.GC9472-ral2JQCrhuEAvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 12:09                               ` Daniel Vetter
2018-04-24 14:20                                 ` Cyr, Aric
     [not found]                                 ` <20180424120946.GW31310-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 14:28                                   ` Harry Wentland
     [not found]                                     ` <b9c33eeb-1db8-f782-cfbe-411d94fecb67-5C7GfCeVMHo@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-24 21:57                                       ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]                                         ` <CAKMK7uHzLRUwZSFbMb4qDzXBODVSQVTTw6BxgmvJdES4gJmBDg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2018-08-17 10:20                                           ` Ernst Sjöstrand
2018-04-10 15:03           ` Harry Wentland
2018-04-10 21:36             ` Manasi Navare
2018-04-10 22:00               ` Cyr, Aric
2018-04-13 16:04       ` Daniel Vetter
     [not found]         ` <20180413160453.GC31310-dv86pmgwkMBes7Z6vYuT8azUEOm+Xw19@public.gmane.org>
2018-04-13 19:20           ` Harry Wentland

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