Re: GIT and SCC

Re: GIT and SCC

[Shawn O. Pearce]

Martin Terreni <martin@terrenis.net> wrote:
> Does Git support SCC in any way?

What is SCC?

Google defines it as the Seminole Community College Campus Web Site
(www.scc-fl.edu).  As far as I know, we do not send them money.

-- 
Shawn.

GIT and SCC

[Martin Terreni]

Does Git support SCC in any way?

 

Regards,

Martin Terreni

Re: GIT and SCC

[Mike Ralphson]

2008/11/5 Shawn O. Pearce <spearce@spearce.org>:
> Martin Terreni <martin@terrenis.net> wrote:
>> Does Git support SCC in any way?
>
> What is SCC?
>
> Google defines it as the Seminole Community College Campus Web Site
> (www.scc-fl.edu).  As far as I know, we do not send them money.

And if we did, would it be hard money?

Re: GIT and SCC

[Martin Terreni]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCC_compliant

It is probably not much, but this is what I could find in a minute. many
VC system have a SCC complaint API (apart of the native). This protocol
was created by M$ is used by many systems so they are not bound to a
specific VC tool.

Thanks for the quick response any way :)


-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Ralphson <mike.ralphson@gmail.com>
To: Shawn O. Pearce <spearce@spearce.org>
Cc: Martin Terreni <martin@terrenis.net>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: GIT and SCC
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 19:11:06 +0000

2008/11/5 Shawn O. Pearce <spearce@spearce.org>:
> Martin Terreni <martin@terrenis.net> wrote:
>> Does Git support SCC in any way?
>
> What is SCC?
>
> Google defines it as the Seminole Community College Campus Web Site
> (www.scc-fl.edu).  As far as I know, we do not send them money.

And if we did, would it be hard money?

Re: GIT and SCC

[Theodore Tso]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:23:55PM +0200, Martin Terreni wrote:
> 
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCC_compliant
> 
> It is probably not much, but this is what I could find in a minute. many
> VC system have a SCC complaint API (apart of the native). This protocol
> was created by M$ is used by many systems so they are not bound to a
> specific VC tool.

It's a closed-source, undocumented API that you can only get access to
by signing a Microsoft NDA.   From the WinMerge API:

	SCC API is closed API (no public documentation available) some
	IDE's (e.g. Visual Studio) use. There apparently have couple
	of reverse-engineered free implementations for SCC API. Status
	of those are unknown.

	WARNING: Be very sure you are not submitting any code behing
	NDA for WinMerge. WinMerge is Open Source so it is not legal
	to do. And what is worse it would prevent anybody reading that
	code working with SCC (and perhaps also VCS) support.

http://winmerge.org/Wiki/VCS_integration

							- Ted

Re: GIT and SCC

[Jan Hudec]

On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 14:38:25 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:23:55PM +0200, Martin Terreni wrote:
> > 
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCC_compliant
> > 
> > It is probably not much, but this is what I could find in a minute. many
> > VC system have a SCC complaint API (apart of the native). This protocol
> > was created by M$ is used by many systems so they are not bound to a
> > specific VC tool.
> 
> It's a closed-source, undocumented API that you can only get access to
> by signing a Microsoft NDA.   From the WinMerge API:
> 
> 	SCC API is closed API (no public documentation available) some
> 	IDE's (e.g. Visual Studio) use. There apparently have couple
> 	of reverse-engineered free implementations for SCC API. Status
> 	of those are unknown.
> 
> 	WARNING: Be very sure you are not submitting any code behing
> 	NDA for WinMerge. WinMerge is Open Source so it is not legal
> 	to do. And what is worse it would prevent anybody reading that
> 	code working with SCC (and perhaps also VCS) support.
> 

I don't really know what this interface is about, but:
 - For VS6 and newer, source control plugin can be implemented by creating
   a dll exporting particular set of controls. This is documented in help
   files that come with VS2005 SDK which is freely downloadable from M$ web,
   so I don't think that would be under NDA.
 - For VS2003 and newer (ie. the .NET based versions), plugins can be
   implemented for almost anything, including source control, by creating
   .net assembly exporting classes that implement some particular interfaces.
   These interfaces are documented in the abovementioned SDK, so again no NDA
   needed.
I actually started writing such plugin some months back, but since I can only
work on it at $work (don't have Windooze at ~, not to mention VS2005 license
-- the SDK is free to download, but requires full, non-express, studio) and
since it does not look like I could get them use Git at $work anytime soon,
I didn't work on it too much. Still I could share the basic skeleton and
the knowledge I have if somebody wanted to move that somewhere.

-- 
						 Jan 'Bulb' Hudec <bulb@ucw.cz>

Re: GIT and SCC

[Andreas Ericsson]

Jan Hudec wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 14:38:25 -0500, Theodore Tso wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 05, 2008 at 09:23:55PM +0200, Martin Terreni wrote:
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCC_compliant
>>>
>>> It is probably not much, but this is what I could find in a minute. many
>>> VC system have a SCC complaint API (apart of the native). This protocol
>>> was created by M$ is used by many systems so they are not bound to a
>>> specific VC tool.
>> It's a closed-source, undocumented API that you can only get access to
>> by signing a Microsoft NDA.   From the WinMerge API:
>>
>> 	SCC API is closed API (no public documentation available) some
>> 	IDE's (e.g. Visual Studio) use. There apparently have couple
>> 	of reverse-engineered free implementations for SCC API. Status
>> 	of those are unknown.
>>
>> 	WARNING: Be very sure you are not submitting any code behing
>> 	NDA for WinMerge. WinMerge is Open Source so it is not legal
>> 	to do. And what is worse it would prevent anybody reading that
>> 	code working with SCC (and perhaps also VCS) support.
>>
> 
> I don't really know what this interface is about, but:
>  - For VS6 and newer, source control plugin can be implemented by creating
>    a dll exporting particular set of controls. This is documented in help
>    files that come with VS2005 SDK which is freely downloadable from M$ web,
>    so I don't think that would be under NDA.
>  - For VS2003 and newer (ie. the .NET based versions), plugins can be
>    implemented for almost anything, including source control, by creating
>    .net assembly exporting classes that implement some particular interfaces.
>    These interfaces are documented in the abovementioned SDK, so again no NDA
>    needed.
> I actually started writing such plugin some months back, but since I can only
> work on it at $work (don't have Windooze at ~, not to mention VS2005 license
> -- the SDK is free to download, but requires full, non-express, studio) and
> since it does not look like I could get them use Git at $work anytime soon,
> I didn't work on it too much. Still I could share the basic skeleton and
> the knowledge I have if somebody wanted to move that somewhere.
> 

I'm interested. Please email me off-list. I'll pass it on to the monodevelop
people and  see what happens. Hopefully they can reuse the same interface so
that mono plugins all of a sudden work everywhere.

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