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From: David Kastrup <dak@gnu.org>
To: Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu>
Cc: Jeff King <peff@peff.net>, git@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Terminology question about remote branches.
Date: Sun, 05 Aug 2007 18:23:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <85bqdm6jch.fsf@lola.goethe.zz> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070805154801.GD28263@thunk.org> (Theodore Tso's message of "Sun\, 5 Aug 2007 11\:48\:01 -0400")

Theodore Tso <tytso@mit.edu> writes:

> To use a GNU emacs example, consider M-x customize, which is this
> huge, very fancy, *very* complex hierarchical mechanism with a
> pointy-clicky interface for setting options.  Most emacs experts
> wouldn't use it, preferring to open code raw emacs-lisp settings in
> their .emacs.el.  If you ask an old-time emacs user how to set up
> some specific feature setting via M-x customize, they might look at
> you blankly, because it's not an interface they use much, if at all.

Well, let me throw you back one of your questions: do you have any
statistics backing this up?

As to anecdotal evidence: I am an old-time Emacs user, and I pretty
much use customize _exclusively_ since it generally leaves me with a
_working_ configuration even when the DOC string might be sub-optimal
or misleading or hard to understand, and it makes sure that, say,
everything to make a global minor mode _active_ (like loading some
file, or calling some initialization functions) is done at the right
point of time.

If "old-time Emacs users" would not use customize, why would pretty
much _every_ package come with _working_ defcustoms?  Who writes and
_tests_ those defcustoms if not the "old-time Emacs users"?

> A similar thing can be said of "git branch"; once you are familiar
> with how git works at a conceptual level, it can often be
> faster/easier to just hack the .git/config file directly, instead of
> using "git branch" to set up things the way you want.  And I'm
> pretty sure there are ways to set up the config file when you edit
> it by hand that you can't set up via "git branch".

Sure.  But we don't want to _require_ this sort of special knowledge
before one can even hope to do some basic task.

-- 
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum

  reply	other threads:[~2007-08-05 16:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 46+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-08-04 10:55 Terminology question about remote branches David Kastrup
2007-08-04 12:02 ` Jeff King
2007-08-04 12:36   ` David Kastrup
2007-08-04 13:07     ` Lars Hjemli
2007-08-04 13:38       ` David Kastrup
2007-08-04 14:03         ` Lars Hjemli
2007-08-04 14:11           ` David Kastrup
2007-08-04 14:25             ` David Kastrup
2007-08-04 14:35               ` Lars Hjemli
2007-08-04 15:09                 ` David Kastrup
2007-08-04 15:48                   ` Lars Hjemli
2007-08-05  9:24                   ` Jeff King
2007-08-04 14:50               ` Julian Phillips
2007-08-04 17:00       ` David Kastrup
2007-08-04 17:19         ` Julian Phillips
2007-08-04 18:00           ` David Kastrup
2007-08-04 22:56             ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-05  7:06               ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05  9:21     ` Jeff King
2007-08-05  9:29       ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05  9:32         ` Jeff King
2007-08-05  9:44           ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05  9:46             ` Jeff King
2007-08-04 12:14 ` Jakub Narebski
2007-08-04 13:29 ` Sean
2007-08-04 14:01   ` David Kastrup
2007-08-04 14:48     ` Sean
2007-08-04 15:22       ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05 10:10       ` Jeff King
2007-08-05 10:05     ` Jeff King
2007-08-05 10:56       ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-08-05 11:02         ` Jeff King
2007-08-05 11:38           ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05 11:52             ` Jeff King
2007-08-05 12:12               ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05 12:14                 ` Jeff King
2007-08-05 15:48                 ` Theodore Tso
2007-08-05 16:23                   ` David Kastrup [this message]
2007-08-05 16:27                   ` Randal L. Schwartz
2007-08-05 16:40                 ` Sean
2007-08-05 16:45                   ` Jeff King
2007-08-05  7:31 ` Junio C Hamano
2007-08-05 10:07   ` Steffen Prohaska
2007-08-05 14:23   ` Julian Phillips
2007-08-05 15:09     ` David Kastrup
2007-08-05 15:24       ` Julian Phillips

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