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From: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
It hasn't been substantially updated for 20 years
(see `git diff e31952da5c52a4c1:Documentation/tutorial-2.txt
0f8e75abebff0877:Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc`)
and it's becoming out of date, for example:
- refs do not necessarily live in `.git/refs`
- we don't really call it "the index file" anymore, and we don't
encourage users to think about the individual files in `.git` as much
as we did 20 years ago
More importantly, this approach of introducing Git by learning about the
contents of `.git` does not work for most people learning Git for the
first time. It's interesting information for some people (maybe more
advanced users or folks with a strong computer science background, for
not appropriate for a general tutorial).
Right now `gittutorial-2` is meant to be a logical sequel to
`gittutorial` ("read gittutorial, then gittutorial-2").
Deleting `gittutorial-2` means that we can more easily rewrite the main
`gittutorial` (which is also not effective) in any way we want, without
having to make sure that `gittutorial-2` is the logical next step.
We have other documentation which can serve a similar purpose to
tutorial-2 and isn't framed as a general tutorial appropriate for
everyone.
Keep building the man page for now and leave behind a stub to
redirect folks to those other documents.
Signed-off-by: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
---
Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc | 422 +------------------------------
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 416 deletions(-)
diff --git a/Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc b/Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc
index 8bdb7d0bd3..6396e763c4 100644
--- a/Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ gittutorial-2(7)
NAME
----
-gittutorial-2 - A tutorial introduction to Git: part two
+gittutorial-2 - Obsolete tutorial
SYNOPSIS
--------
@@ -13,423 +13,13 @@ git *
DESCRIPTION
-----------
-You should work through linkgit:gittutorial[7] before reading this tutorial.
+This tutorial has been deleted since it had become very stale.
-The goal of this tutorial is to introduce two fundamental pieces of
-Git's architecture--the object database and the index file--and to
-provide the reader with everything necessary to understand the rest
-of the Git documentation.
+See linkgit:gitdatamodel[7] for an explanation of how Git's core data
+structures work (objects, references and the index).
-The Git object database
------------------------
-
-Let's start a new project and create a small amount of history:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ mkdir test-project
-$ cd test-project
-$ git init
-Initialized empty Git repository in .git/
-$ echo 'hello world' > file.txt
-$ git add .
-$ git commit -a -m "initial commit"
-[master (root-commit) 54196cc] initial commit
- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
- create mode 100644 file.txt
-$ echo 'hello world!' >file.txt
-$ git commit -a -m "add emphasis"
-[master c4d59f3] add emphasis
- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
-------------------------------------------------
-
-What are the 7 digits of hex that Git responded to the commit with?
-
-We saw in part one of the tutorial that commits have names like this.
-It turns out that every object in the Git history is stored under
-a 40-digit hex name. That name is the SHA-1 hash of the object's
-contents; among other things, this ensures that Git will never store
-the same data twice (since identical data is given an identical SHA-1
-name), and that the contents of a Git object will never change (since
-that would change the object's name as well). The 7 char hex strings
-here are simply the abbreviation of such 40 character long strings.
-Abbreviations can be used everywhere where the 40 character strings
-can be used, so long as they are unambiguous.
-
-It is expected that the content of the commit object you created while
-following the example above generates a different SHA-1 hash than
-the one shown above because the commit object records the time when
-it was created and the name of the person performing the commit.
-
-We can ask Git about this particular object with the `cat-file`
-command. Don't copy the 40 hex digits from this example but use those
-from your own version. Note that you can shorten it to only a few
-characters to save yourself typing all 40 hex digits:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file -t 54196cc2
-commit
-$ git cat-file commit 54196cc2
-tree 92b8b694ffb1675e5975148e1121810081dbdffe
-author J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143414668 -0500
-committer J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143414668 -0500
-
-initial commit
-------------------------------------------------
-
-A tree can refer to one or more "blob" objects, each corresponding to
-a file. In addition, a tree can also refer to other tree objects,
-thus creating a directory hierarchy. You can examine the contents of
-any tree using ls-tree (remember that a long enough initial portion
-of the SHA-1 will also work):
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git ls-tree 92b8b694
-100644 blob 3b18e512dba79e4c8300dd08aeb37f8e728b8dad file.txt
-------------------------------------------------
-
-Thus we see that this tree has one file in it. The SHA-1 hash is a
-reference to that file's data:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file -t 3b18e512
-blob
-------------------------------------------------
-
-A "blob" is just file data, which we can also examine with cat-file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file blob 3b18e512
-hello world
-------------------------------------------------
-
-Note that this is the old file data; so the object that Git named in
-its response to the initial tree was a tree with a snapshot of the
-directory state that was recorded by the first commit.
-
-All of these objects are stored under their SHA-1 names inside the Git
-directory:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ find .git/objects/
-.git/objects/
-.git/objects/pack
-.git/objects/info
-.git/objects/3b
-.git/objects/3b/18e512dba79e4c8300dd08aeb37f8e728b8dad
-.git/objects/92
-.git/objects/92/b8b694ffb1675e5975148e1121810081dbdffe
-.git/objects/54
-.git/objects/54/196cc2703dc165cbd373a65a4dcf22d50ae7f7
-.git/objects/a0
-.git/objects/a0/423896973644771497bdc03eb99d5281615b51
-.git/objects/d0
-.git/objects/d0/492b368b66bdabf2ac1fd8c92b39d3db916e59
-.git/objects/c4
-.git/objects/c4/d59f390b9cfd4318117afde11d601c1085f241
-------------------------------------------------
-
-and the contents of these files is just the compressed data plus a
-header identifying their length and their type. The type is either a
-blob, a tree, a commit, or a tag.
-
-The simplest commit to find is the HEAD commit, which we can find
-from .git/HEAD:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ cat .git/HEAD
-ref: refs/heads/master
-------------------------------------------------
-
-As you can see, this tells us which branch we're currently on, and it
-tells us this by naming a file under the .git directory, which itself
-contains a SHA-1 name referring to a commit object, which we can
-examine with cat-file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ cat .git/refs/heads/master
-c4d59f390b9cfd4318117afde11d601c1085f241
-$ git cat-file -t c4d59f39
-commit
-$ git cat-file commit c4d59f39
-tree d0492b368b66bdabf2ac1fd8c92b39d3db916e59
-parent 54196cc2703dc165cbd373a65a4dcf22d50ae7f7
-author J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143418702 -0500
-committer J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143418702 -0500
-
-add emphasis
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The "tree" object here refers to the new state of the tree:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git ls-tree d0492b36
-100644 blob a0423896973644771497bdc03eb99d5281615b51 file.txt
-$ git cat-file blob a0423896
-hello world!
-------------------------------------------------
-
-and the "parent" object refers to the previous commit:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file commit 54196cc2
-tree 92b8b694ffb1675e5975148e1121810081dbdffe
-author J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143414668 -0500
-committer J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143414668 -0500
-
-initial commit
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The tree object is the tree we examined first, and this commit is
-unusual in that it lacks any parent.
-
-Most commits have only one parent, but it is also common for a commit
-to have multiple parents. In that case the commit represents a
-merge, with the parent references pointing to the heads of the merged
-branches.
-
-Besides blobs, trees, and commits, the only remaining type of object
-is a "tag", which we won't discuss here; refer to linkgit:git-tag[1]
-for details.
-
-So now we know how Git uses the object database to represent a
-project's history:
-
- * "commit" objects refer to "tree" objects representing the
- snapshot of a directory tree at a particular point in the
- history, and refer to "parent" commits to show how they're
- connected into the project history.
- * "tree" objects represent the state of a single directory,
- associating directory names to "blob" objects containing file
- data and "tree" objects containing subdirectory information.
- * "blob" objects contain file data without any other structure.
- * References to commit objects at the head of each branch are
- stored in files under .git/refs/heads/.
- * The name of the current branch is stored in .git/HEAD.
-
-Note, by the way, that lots of commands take a tree as an argument.
-But as we can see above, a tree can be referred to in many different
-ways--by the SHA-1 name for that tree, by the name of a commit that
-refers to the tree, by the name of a branch whose head refers to that
-tree, etc.--and most such commands can accept any of these names.
-
-In command synopses, the word "tree-ish" is sometimes used to
-designate such an argument.
-
-The index file
---------------
-
-The primary tool we've been using to create commits is `git-commit
--a`, which creates a commit including every change you've made to
-your working tree. But what if you want to commit changes only to
-certain files? Or only certain changes to certain files?
-
-If we look at the way commits are created under the cover, we'll see
-that there are more flexible ways creating commits.
-
-Continuing with our test-project, let's modify file.txt again:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ echo "hello world, again" >>file.txt
-------------------------------------------------
-
-but this time instead of immediately making the commit, let's take an
-intermediate step, and ask for diffs along the way to keep track of
-what's happening:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git diff
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1 +1,2 @@
- hello world!
-+hello world, again
-$ git add file.txt
-$ git diff
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The last diff is empty, but no new commits have been made, and the
-head still doesn't contain the new line:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git diff HEAD
-diff --git a/file.txt b/file.txt
-index a042389..513feba 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1 +1,2 @@
- hello world!
-+hello world, again
-------------------------------------------------
-
-So 'git diff' is comparing against something other than the head.
-The thing that it's comparing against is actually the index file,
-which is stored in .git/index in a binary format, but whose contents
-we can examine with ls-files:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git ls-files --stage
-100644 513feba2e53ebbd2532419ded848ba19de88ba00 0 file.txt
-$ git cat-file -t 513feba2
-blob
-$ git cat-file blob 513feba2
-hello world!
-hello world, again
-------------------------------------------------
-
-So what our 'git add' did was store a new blob and then put
-a reference to it in the index file. If we modify the file again,
-we'll see that the new modifications are reflected in the 'git diff'
-output:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ echo 'again?' >>file.txt
-$ git diff
-index 513feba..ba3da7b 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1,2 +1,3 @@
- hello world!
- hello world, again
-+again?
-------------------------------------------------
-
-With the right arguments, 'git diff' can also show us the difference
-between the working directory and the last commit, or between the
-index and the last commit:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git diff HEAD
-diff --git a/file.txt b/file.txt
-index a042389..ba3da7b 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1 +1,3 @@
- hello world!
-+hello world, again
-+again?
-$ git diff --cached
-diff --git a/file.txt b/file.txt
-index a042389..513feba 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1 +1,2 @@
- hello world!
-+hello world, again
-------------------------------------------------
-
-At any time, we can create a new commit using 'git commit' (without
-the "-a" option), and verify that the state committed only includes the
-changes stored in the index file, not the additional change that is
-still only in our working tree:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git commit -m "repeat"
-$ git diff HEAD
-diff --git a/file.txt b/file.txt
-index 513feba..ba3da7b 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1,2 +1,3 @@
- hello world!
- hello world, again
-+again?
-------------------------------------------------
-
-So by default 'git commit' uses the index to create the commit, not
-the working tree; the "-a" option to commit tells it to first update
-the index with all changes in the working tree.
-
-Finally, it's worth looking at the effect of 'git add' on the index
-file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ echo "goodbye, world" >closing.txt
-$ git add closing.txt
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The effect of the 'git add' was to add one entry to the index file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git ls-files --stage
-100644 8b9743b20d4b15be3955fc8d5cd2b09cd2336138 0 closing.txt
-100644 513feba2e53ebbd2532419ded848ba19de88ba00 0 file.txt
-------------------------------------------------
-
-And, as you can see with cat-file, this new entry refers to the
-current contents of the file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file blob 8b9743b2
-goodbye, world
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The "status" command is a useful way to get a quick summary of the
-situation:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git status
-On branch master
-Changes to be committed:
- (use "git restore --staged <file>..." to unstage)
-
- new file: closing.txt
-
-Changes not staged for commit:
- (use "git add <file>..." to update what will be committed)
- (use "git restore <file>..." to discard changes in working directory)
-
- modified: file.txt
-
-------------------------------------------------
-
-Since the current state of closing.txt is cached in the index file,
-it is listed as "Changes to be committed". Since file.txt has
-changes in the working directory that aren't reflected in the index,
-it is marked "changed but not updated". At this point, running "git
-commit" would create a commit that added closing.txt (with its new
-contents), but that didn't modify file.txt.
-
-Also, note that a bare `git diff` shows the changes to file.txt, but
-not the addition of closing.txt, because the version of closing.txt
-in the index file is identical to the one in the working directory.
-
-In addition to being the staging area for new commits, the index file
-is also populated from the object database when checking out a
-branch, and is used to hold the trees involved in a merge operation.
-See linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7] and the relevant man
-pages for details.
-
-What next?
-----------
-
-At this point you should know everything necessary to read the man
-pages for any of the git commands; one good place to start would be
-with the commands mentioned in linkgit:giteveryday[7]. You
-should be able to find any unknown jargon in linkgit:gitglossary[7].
-
-The link:user-manual.html[Git User's Manual] provides a more
-comprehensive introduction to Git.
-
-linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7] explains how to
-import a CVS repository into Git, and shows how to use Git in a
-CVS-like way.
-
-For some interesting examples of Git use, see the
-link:howto-index.html[howtos].
-
-For Git developers, linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7] goes
-into detail on the lower-level Git mechanisms involved in, for
-example, creating a new commit.
-
-SEE ALSO
---------
-linkgit:gittutorial[7],
-linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
-linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7],
-linkgit:gitglossary[7],
-linkgit:git-help[1],
-linkgit:giteveryday[7],
-link:user-manual.html[The Git User's Manual]
+See linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7] for a practical tutorial on how to
+explore Git's internals.
GIT
---
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From: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget @ 2026-09-28 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: git; +Cc: Julia Evans, Julia Evans
From: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
Redirect folks to `gitdatamodel` instead, since every time it's
referenced the intent is to explain objects, references, blobs, etc.
The update to `gittutorial` isn't very carefully thought through since
we're planning to delete that entire document anyway. It's just there to
maintain some internal consistency.
Signed-off-by: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
---
Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc | 2 +-
Documentation/git.adoc | 2 +-
Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc | 1 -
Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc | 2 +-
Documentation/gitglossary.adoc | 1 -
Documentation/gittutorial.adoc | 23 +++++------------------
6 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 23 deletions(-)
diff --git a/Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc b/Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc
index 413a9fdb05..76e635b93a 100644
--- a/Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc
@@ -145,7 +145,7 @@ used to track the allocated size of the list.
Per entry, we find:
`item` is the object provided upon which to base the object walk. Items in Git
-can be blobs, trees, commits, or tags. (See `Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc`.)
+can be blobs, trees, commits, or tags. (See `Documentation/gitdatamodel.adoc`.)
`name` is the object ID (OID) of the object - a hex string you may be familiar
with from using Git to organize your source in the past. Check the tutorial
diff --git a/Documentation/git.adoc b/Documentation/git.adoc
index 6f0075f918..1f0cbaee7a 100644
--- a/Documentation/git.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/git.adoc
@@ -1200,7 +1200,7 @@ the Git Security mailing list <git-security@googlegroups.com>.
SEE ALSO
--------
-linkgit:gittutorial[7], linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
+linkgit:gittutorial[7],
linkgit:giteveryday[7], linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
linkgit:gitglossary[7], linkgit:gitdatamodel[7],
linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7], linkgit:gitcli[7],
diff --git a/Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc b/Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc
index 2122aeb976..abbe193056 100644
--- a/Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc
@@ -1649,7 +1649,6 @@ to follow, not easier.
SEE ALSO
--------
linkgit:gittutorial[7],
-linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
linkgit:git-help[1],
linkgit:giteveryday[7],
diff --git a/Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc b/Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc
index 905d08cd5f..66a5c3ed6d 100644
--- a/Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc
@@ -194,7 +194,7 @@ repositories without the need for a central maintainer.
SEE ALSO
--------
linkgit:gittutorial[7],
-linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
+linkgit:gitdatamodel[7],
linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7],
linkgit:gitglossary[7],
linkgit:giteveryday[7],
diff --git a/Documentation/gitglossary.adoc b/Documentation/gitglossary.adoc
index b046d9cb29..6051f494d3 100644
--- a/Documentation/gitglossary.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gitglossary.adoc
@@ -18,7 +18,6 @@ SEE ALSO
--------
linkgit:gitdatamodel[7],
linkgit:gittutorial[7],
-linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
linkgit:giteveryday[7],
link:user-manual.html[The Git User's Manual]
diff --git a/Documentation/gittutorial.adoc b/Documentation/gittutorial.adoc
index 519b8d8be2..006e534778 100644
--- a/Documentation/gittutorial.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gittutorial.adoc
@@ -622,24 +622,12 @@ Next Steps
----------
This tutorial should be enough to perform basic distributed revision
-control for your projects. However, to fully understand the depth
-and power of Git you need to understand two simple ideas on which it
-is based:
+control for your projects. However, to fully understand the Git
+documentation, it's useful to learn how Git stores the history of
+your project in its database. See linkgit:gitdatamodel[7] for an
+explanation.
- * The object database is the rather elegant system used to
- store the history of your project--files, directories, and
- commits.
-
- * The index file is a cache of the state of a directory tree,
- used to create commits, check out working directories, and
- hold the various trees involved in a merge.
-
-Part two of this tutorial explains the object
-database, the index file, and a few other odds and ends that you'll
-need to make the most of Git. You can find it at linkgit:gittutorial-2[7].
-
-If you don't want to continue with that right away, a few other
-digressions that may be interesting at this point are:
+A few other commands that may be interesting:
* linkgit:git-format-patch[1], linkgit:git-am[1]: These convert
series of git commits into emailed patches, and vice versa,
@@ -662,7 +650,6 @@ digressions that may be interesting at this point are:
SEE ALSO
--------
-linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7],
linkgit:gitglossary[7],
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From: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget @ 2026-09-28 20:25 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: git; +Cc: Julia Evans, Julia Evans
From: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
The tutorial has been deleted so we don't need the translations anymore.
Deleted them with sed like this to try to avoid making mistakes by
deleting them manually, and then cleaned up the comments by hand
sed -I '' '/msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"/,+2d' po/*.po
Signed-off-by: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
---
command-list.txt | 1 -
po/bg.po | 3 ---
po/ca.po | 4 ----
po/de.po | 3 ---
po/el.po | 4 ----
po/es.po | 3 ---
po/fr.po | 3 ---
po/ga.po | 3 ---
po/id.po | 3 ---
po/it.po | 4 ----
po/ko.po | 3 ---
po/pl.po | 3 ---
po/pt_PT.po | 4 ----
po/ru.po | 3 ---
po/sv.po | 3 ---
po/tr.po | 3 ---
po/uk.po | 3 ---
po/vi.po | 3 ---
po/zh_CN.po | 4 ----
po/zh_TW.po | 4 ----
20 files changed, 64 deletions(-)
diff --git a/command-list.txt b/command-list.txt
index 63ae2a67c9..5c649c882e 100644
--- a/command-list.txt
+++ b/command-list.txt
@@ -244,7 +244,6 @@ gitrepository-layout userinterfaces
gitrevisions userinterfaces
gitsubmodules guide
gittutorial guide
-gittutorial-2 guide
gitweb ancillaryinterrogators
gitworkflows guide
scalar mainporcelain
diff --git a/po/bg.po b/po/bg.po
index e11e536182..fae7ca2c71 100644
--- a/po/bg.po
+++ b/po/bg.po
@@ -17097,9 +17097,6 @@ msgstr "Монтиране на едно хранилище в друго"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Въвеждащ урок за Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Въвеждащ урок за Git: втора част"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Уеб интерфейс на Git"
diff --git a/po/ca.po b/po/ca.po
index e8cfa5e925..73f071f048 100644
--- a/po/ca.po
+++ b/po/ca.po
@@ -20846,10 +20846,6 @@ msgstr "Muntant un repositori dins un altre"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Un tutorial d'introducció al Git"
-#: command-list.h
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Un tutorial d'introducció al Git: segona part"
-
#: command-list.h
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Interfície web del Git (interfície web pels repositoris Git)"
diff --git a/po/de.po b/po/de.po
index 6b65bb6180..abf37baa43 100644
--- a/po/de.po
+++ b/po/de.po
@@ -15263,9 +15263,6 @@ msgstr "Einbinden eines Repositories in ein anderes"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "eine einführende Anleitung zu Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "eine einführende Anleitung zu Git: Teil zwei"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Git Web Interface (Web-Frontend für Git-Repositories)"
diff --git a/po/el.po b/po/el.po
index 703f46d0c7..5809b434ee 100644
--- a/po/el.po
+++ b/po/el.po
@@ -19747,10 +19747,6 @@ msgstr ""
msgid "Specifying revisions and ranges for Git"
msgstr ""
-#: command-list.h:206
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr ""
-
#: command-list.h:207
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr ""
diff --git a/po/es.po b/po/es.po
index aa1bb9bf90..dcdcbf5360 100644
--- a/po/es.po
+++ b/po/es.po
@@ -14046,9 +14046,6 @@ msgstr "Montar un repositorio dentro de otro"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Un tutorial de introducción a Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Un tutorial de introducción a Git: parte dos"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Interfaz web Git (interfaz web para repositorios Git)"
diff --git a/po/fr.po b/po/fr.po
index f9613e793f..2e020cedf6 100644
--- a/po/fr.po
+++ b/po/fr.po
@@ -16698,9 +16698,6 @@ msgstr "Montage d'un dépôt dans un autre dépôt"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Une introduction pratique à Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Une introduction pratique à Git : deuxième partie"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Interface web de Git"
diff --git a/po/ga.po b/po/ga.po
index 3d04a3bc51..b023d7fb3f 100644
--- a/po/ga.po
+++ b/po/ga.po
@@ -16521,9 +16521,6 @@ msgstr "Stóra amháin a chur isteach taobh istigh de cheann"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Réamhrá teagaisc ar Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Réamhrá teagaisc ar Git: cuid a dara"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Comhéadan gréasáin Git (tosaigh gréasáin chuig stórais Git)"
diff --git a/po/id.po b/po/id.po
index 381db5a4bf..4176009e8f 100644
--- a/po/id.po
+++ b/po/id.po
@@ -20476,9 +20476,6 @@ msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Tutorial perkenalan Git"
#: command-list.h
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Tutorial perkenalan Git: bagian dua"
-
#: command-list.h
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Antarmuka web Git (tampilan depan web untuk repositori Git)"
diff --git a/po/it.po b/po/it.po
index b5ccd8c731..d180be5e88 100644
--- a/po/it.po
+++ b/po/it.po
@@ -24498,10 +24498,6 @@ msgstr "Come specificare revisioni e intervalli in Git"
msgid "Mounting one repository inside another"
msgstr "Monto un repository dentro un altro"
-#: command-list.h:215
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Un tutorial introduttivo per Git: seconda parte"
-
#: command-list.h:216
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Un tutorial introduttivo per Git"
diff --git a/po/ko.po b/po/ko.po
index 7a6847f023..a930084b5b 100644
--- a/po/ko.po
+++ b/po/ko.po
@@ -15972,9 +15972,6 @@ msgid "Specifying revisions and ranges for Git"
msgstr "깃의 리비전 및 범위를 지정하기"
#: command-list.h:204
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "깃 따라하기 안내서: 2부"
-
#: command-list.h:205
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "깃 따라하기 안내서"
diff --git a/po/pl.po b/po/pl.po
index 0ec127e14c..9e75518503 100644
--- a/po/pl.po
+++ b/po/pl.po
@@ -25581,9 +25581,6 @@ msgid "Mounting one repository inside another"
msgstr "Montowanie jednego repozytorium w drugim"
#: command-list.h:216
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Samouczek wprowadzenia do Gita: część druga"
-
#: command-list.h:217
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Samouczek wprowadzenia do Gita"
diff --git a/po/pt_PT.po b/po/pt_PT.po
index 32142531bb..875671179a 100644
--- a/po/pt_PT.po
+++ b/po/pt_PT.po
@@ -25857,10 +25857,6 @@ msgstr ""
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Um tutorial de introdução a Git"
-#: command-list.h:217
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Um tutorial de introdução a Git: parte dois"
-
#: command-list.h:218
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Interface web de Git (frontend web para repositórios Git)"
diff --git a/po/ru.po b/po/ru.po
index e8845ca2c0..6cad41bc00 100644
--- a/po/ru.po
+++ b/po/ru.po
@@ -13866,9 +13866,6 @@ msgstr ""
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Обучающее введение в Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Обучающее введение в Git: часть вторая"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Веб интерфейс Git (веб-интерфейс для Git репозиториев)"
diff --git a/po/sv.po b/po/sv.po
index 3856426319..df6508317e 100644
--- a/po/sv.po
+++ b/po/sv.po
@@ -16194,9 +16194,6 @@ msgstr "Monterar ett arkiv inuti ett annat"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Introduktion till Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Introduktion till Git: del två"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Git-webbgränssnitt (webbframända för Git-arkiv)"
diff --git a/po/tr.po b/po/tr.po
index 5e992e1a04..79ca735d17 100644
--- a/po/tr.po
+++ b/po/tr.po
@@ -16319,9 +16319,6 @@ msgstr "Bir depoyu bir başkasının içine bağlama"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Git'e giriş için bir öğretici"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Git'e giriş için bir öğretici: Bölüm 2"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Git web arabirimi (Git depoları için web ön ucu)"
diff --git a/po/uk.po b/po/uk.po
index 7d0451933c..824d6b0137 100644
--- a/po/uk.po
+++ b/po/uk.po
@@ -16509,9 +16509,6 @@ msgstr "Монтування одного сховища всередині ін
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Навчальний вступ до Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Навчальний вступ до Git: частина друга"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Веб-інтерфейс Git (веб-фронтенд до сховищ Git)"
diff --git a/po/vi.po b/po/vi.po
index f91a7de810..b7c353352b 100644
--- a/po/vi.po
+++ b/po/vi.po
@@ -15606,9 +15606,6 @@ msgstr "Gắn một kho chứa vào trong một cái khác"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Hướng dẫn cách dùng Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Hướng dẫn cách dùng Git: phần hai"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Giao diện Git trên nền web (ứng dụng web chạy trên kho Git)"
diff --git a/po/zh_CN.po b/po/zh_CN.po
index 9baf2bf7a6..40e7359b8a 100644
--- a/po/zh_CN.po
+++ b/po/zh_CN.po
@@ -20237,10 +20237,6 @@ msgstr "将一个仓库挂载到另一个仓库中"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Git 入门教程"
-#: command-list.h
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Git 入门教程：第二部分"
-
#: command-list.h
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Git Web 界面（Git 仓库的 Web 前端）"
diff --git a/po/zh_TW.po b/po/zh_TW.po
index 87a8faca93..18e079ef1f 100644
--- a/po/zh_TW.po
+++ b/po/zh_TW.po
@@ -20095,10 +20095,6 @@ msgstr "在某個版本庫掛載某個版本庫"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "一個 Git 教學"
-#: command-list.h
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "一個 Git 教學：第二部分"
-
#: command-list.h
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Git web 介面（Git 版本庫的 web 前端）"
--
gitgitgadget
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2026-09-28 20:25 ` [PATCH 3/3] [doc] Delete translations of gittutorial-2 description Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
@ 2026-09-29 7:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-29 10:42 ` Julia Evans
2026-09-29 21:58 ` Junio C Hamano
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From: Junio C Hamano @ 2026-09-29 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget; +Cc: git, Julia Evans
"Julia Evans via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> writes:
> This patch series removes gittutorial-2 and all references to it, leaving a
> stub behind to help out any users who might be looking for this
> documentation.
Is this the "two series" approach you mentioned earlier?
There is no need to ensure that the new document that replaces the
old one covers everything the old one did. After all, giving us a
clean slate and letting us choose what to cover (and, more
importantly, what not to cover) with fresh eyes to match the needs
of today's world is the whole point of redoing the tutorial
document.
So I personally feel it is OK to remove the old one, without
promising or even hinting at what in the new one that replaces it.
But we would want to see its replacement in the not-so-distant
future.
Also, we may want to decide what to do with gittutorial. It is
short and reasonably sweet. One old-fashioned thing that does not
exactly match today's prevalent usage patterns may be that it starts
tracking a new project from a tarball, but other than that, it may
not hurt to keep it around. I do not know.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-29 7:50 ` [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2 Junio C Hamano
@ 2026-09-29 10:42 ` Julia Evans
2026-09-29 11:09 ` Julia Evans
2026-09-30 7:50 ` Junio C Hamano
0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Julia Evans @ 2026-09-29 10:42 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Junio C Hamano, Julia Evans; +Cc: git
> Is this the "two series" approach you mentioned earlier?
The idea is that:
1. we delete gittutorial-2 (this series)
2. we delete gittutorial
3. we add a new gittutorial
We could also combine #2 and #3 into a single series.
I don't feel strongly about that and it might (as you mention below)
be better to wait to delete gittutorial until we have a replacement
ready to go.
> There is no need to ensure that the new document that replaces the
> old one covers everything the old one did. After all, giving us a
> clean slate and letting us choose what to cover (and, more
> importantly, what not to cover) with fresh eyes to match the needs
> of today's world is the whole point of redoing the tutorial
> document.
>
> So I personally feel it is OK to remove the old one, without
> promising or even hinting at what in the new one that replaces it.
> But we would want to see its replacement in the not-so-distant
> future.
I'm not planning to replace gittutorial-2 since the material in it
is already covered by gitdatamodel and gitcore-tutorial.
Let me know if you disagree!
> Also, we may want to decide what to do with gittutorial. It is
> short and reasonably sweet. One old-fashioned thing that does not
> exactly match today's prevalent usage patterns may be that it starts
> tracking a new project from a tarball, but other than that, it may
> not hurt to keep it around. I do not know.
We definitely want a tutorial that covers `git init`, `git add`, `git commit`,
etc. Any replacement would definitely cover those topics, but
I don't see the value of having 2 such tutorials.
Why do you think it would be valuable to keep it around? It seems
like it would cause a lot of confusion to me.
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* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-29 10:42 ` Julia Evans
@ 2026-09-29 11:09 ` Julia Evans
2026-09-30 7:50 ` Junio C Hamano
1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Julia Evans @ 2026-09-29 11:09 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Junio C Hamano, Julia Evans; +Cc: git
> I'm not planning to replace gittutorial-2 since the material in it
> is already covered by gitdatamodel and gitcore-tutorial.
> Let me know if you disagree!
I realized it might be useful to summarize the content of
gittutorial-2 to give some context for this. It introduces these
commands and files as a way to learn Git's object model:
git cat-file
git ls-tree
git ls-files --stage
.git/objects
.git/refs/head/*
.git/HEAD
gitdatamodel explains the Git object model in a different way,
and gitcore-tutorial introduces these same commands in
more detail.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-29 10:42 ` Julia Evans
2026-09-29 11:09 ` Julia Evans
@ 2026-09-30 7:50 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-01 22:21 ` Julia Evans
1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2026-09-30 7:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Evans; +Cc: Julia Evans, git
"Julia Evans" <julia@jvns.ca> writes:
>> So I personally feel it is OK to remove the old one, without
>> promising or even hinting at what in the new one that replaces it.
>> But we would want to see its replacement in the not-so-distant
>> future.
>
> I'm not planning to replace gittutorial-2 since the material in it
> is already covered by gitdatamodel and gitcore-tutorial.
OK. I didn't sense that from the proposed log messages for these
patches. Sorry for my misunderstanding.
>> Also, we may want to decide what to do with gittutorial. It is
>> short and reasonably sweet. One old-fashioned thing that does not
>> exactly match today's prevalent usage patterns may be that it starts
>> tracking a new project from a tarball, but other than that, it may
>> not hurt to keep it around. I do not know.
>
> We definitely want a tutorial that covers `git init`, `git add`, `git commit`,
> etc. Any replacement would definitely cover those topics, but
> I don't see the value of having 2 such tutorials.
> Why do you think it would be valuable to keep it around? It seems
> like it would cause a lot of confusion to me.
You confuse me.
What do you mean by "it" in "keep it around"? gittutorial.adoc?
If so you said it yourself, that we want to have a tutorial that
covers the basics like `git init` etc.
Or do you mean some other document, like gittutorial-2? It would
have made sense to keep it while a replacement was being written, to
make comparison easier, *if* the goal were to make sure that the new
one covers everything the existing one covered, but we already
agreed that it is not the goal to salvage what is in gittutorial-2
(and that is why I personally feel it is OK to remove the old one
first).
Puzzled.
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* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-30 7:50 ` Junio C Hamano
@ 2026-10-01 22:21 ` Julia Evans
2026-10-02 7:38 ` Junio C Hamano
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Julia Evans @ 2026-10-01 22:21 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Junio C Hamano; +Cc: Julia Evans, git
> You confuse me.
>
> What do you mean by "it" in "keep it around"? gittutorial.adoc?
>
> If so you said it yourself, that we want to have a tutorial that
> covers the basics like `git init` etc.
>
> Or do you mean some other document, like gittutorial-2? It would
> have made sense to keep it while a replacement was being written, to
> make comparison easier, *if* the goal were to make sure that the new
> one covers everything the existing one covered, but we already
> agreed that it is not the goal to salvage what is in gittutorial-2
> (and that is why I personally feel it is OK to remove the old one
> first).
Here's another attempt to explain! I think this whole sub-discussion
is not very relevant to `gittutorial-2` (the subject of this patch series)
which should be deleted in any case. I would move this out to talk
about it separately but the mailing list is still tough for me to navigate.
Everything after this point is about `gittutorial.adoc` and about how
to manage the process of improving it.
Here are some facts, some of my opinions, and some options I see.
Apologies for the length :)
Facts:
1. The current `gittutorial` covers git init, git add, git commit, git diff, git
log, git branch, git switch, git merge, git clone, git fetch, git pull, gitk,
git remote add, git show, git reset --hard, git tag, git show, and git status,
(and potentially more commands I missed)
2. My current `gittutorial` draft covers fewer topics: just
git init, git add, git commit, git diff, git status git remote add, git push.
Basically just how to make commits and push them to a remote.
These tools on their own are enough for a user to back up their code or use Git to
publish a website (for instance with Github Pages or Heroku RIP)
3. 22 people who are new to Git have tested the new draft so far
3.1. Several of the testers said in the post-tutorial survey that they wanted more
information on branching and collaboration with Git. This was the most common
"what do you wish this tutorial covered?" request.
3.2. Several of the testers also said that the new version is a lot of
material, and they were not able to finish it because they didn't have time
4. Writing tutorial material is a lot of work, it will take time to do a good
job of covering branching and collaboration
Opinions:
It's important for us to cover branching, collaboration, and how to restore
old work in our tutorial material. There are other topics too but these are the
most important.
It’s not realistic to expect new Git users to be able to learn what they need to
know about branching and collaboration from the “MANAGING BRANCHES” and “USING
GIT FOR COLLABORATION” sections of `gittutorial`. Two of the many issues are
that it starts talking about branches without explaining what they are, and it
teaches collaboration in the context of a multi-user system which is not how the
vast majority of users would collaborate. As far as I can tell it never explains
what a branch is in any way. My impression is that we all already agree that
this tutorial is not doing the job it needs to do in any case.
It's also probably unrealistic to merge a guide to branching at the same time as
the intro to `git commit` just because it's already so much work just to cover
the first parts effectively.
All of this together means we’re not in an ideal situation.
Options I see for dealing with this:
option 1: Refer folks to the contents of the current `gittutorial` (in some new
location?) to learn branching and collaboration. I think this is what you are
suggesting (?). I am not willing to do this because (as mentioned) the current
gittutorial is not a good way to learn those topics.
option 2: Ship the new tutorial without a guide to branching and collaboration,
with that to come later. Not ideal, but I think this is better than option 1,
since at least we are not pointing users to a tutorial that we know will not
help them.
option 3: Recommend some kind of external guide for now. We talked about this
before and I agree there are issues with maintainability etc.
option 4: Wait until we have a new tutorial on branching to merge any new
tutorial. This will take a very long time and it’ll be a lot more to review at
one time.
Right now option 2 is my preferred one of the options (which all have different
drawbacks)
best,
Julia
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* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-10-01 22:21 ` Julia Evans
@ 2026-10-02 7:38 ` Junio C Hamano
0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2026-10-02 7:38 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Evans; +Cc: Julia Evans, git
"Julia Evans" <julia@jvns.ca> writes:
> 3. 22 people who are new to Git have tested the new draft so far
> 3.1. Several of the testers said in the post-tutorial survey that they wanted more
> information on branching and collaboration with Git. This was the most common
> "what do you wish this tutorial covered?" request.
> 3.2. Several of the testers also said that the new version is a lot of
> material, and they were not able to finish it because they didn't have time
> 4. Writing tutorial material is a lot of work, it will take time to do a good
> job of covering branching and collaboration
Good info to share more widely around here.
> It's important for us to cover branching, collaboration, and how to restore
> old work in our tutorial material.
OK.
> option 1: Refer folks to the contents of the current `gittutorial` (in some new
> location?) to learn branching and collaboration. I think this is what you are
> suggesting (?).
Not at all. If the material in the existing document is inadequate,
after examining why it is inadequate (e.g., perhaps it assumes
certain prerequisite knowledge or work experience that today's new
users are unlikely to have), we decide if we can salvage it or we
need to write from scratch. It is very likely that it is the latter
case---otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation to begin
with.
> option 2: Ship the new tutorial without a guide to branching and collaboration,
> with that to come later. Not ideal, but I think this is better than option 1,
> since at least we are not pointing users to a tutorial that we know will not
> help them.
I think this, #1, and #3 are essentially different sides of the the
same coin. If gittutorial can fill the gap, we use it as a stop-gap
measure while we prepare a better one. If it is so bad that it
would contaminate new users' minds, and they are better off learning
the hard way from more technical documentation and external books
instead of tutorial, we won't give them any stop-gap. We may or may
not have external material we can recommend.
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* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-28 20:25 [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2 Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
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2026-09-29 7:50 ` [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2 Junio C Hamano
@ 2026-09-29 21:58 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-29 22:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-30 6:00 ` Tuomas Ahola
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
6 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2026-09-29 21:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget; +Cc: git, Julia Evans, Jiang Xin
"Julia Evans via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> writes:
> Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc | 2 +-
> Documentation/git.adoc | 2 +-
> Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc | 1 -
> Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc | 2 +-
> Documentation/gitglossary.adoc | 1 -
> Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc | 422 +--------------------------
> Documentation/gittutorial.adoc | 23 +-
> command-list.txt | 1 -
> po/bg.po | 3 -
> po/ca.po | 4 -
> po/de.po | 3 -
> po/el.po | 4 -
> po/es.po | 3 -
> po/fr.po | 3 -
> po/ga.po | 3 -
> po/id.po | 3 -
> po/it.po | 4 -
> po/ko.po | 3 -
> po/pl.po | 3 -
> po/pt_PT.po | 4 -
> po/ru.po | 3 -
> po/sv.po | 3 -
> po/tr.po | 3 -
> po/uk.po | 3 -
> po/vi.po | 3 -
> po/zh_CN.po | 4 -
> po/zh_TW.po | 4 -
> 27 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 503 deletions(-)
One thing I forgot to mention.
I think we try to stay out of the po/ directory unless the patch is
about updating translated text to catch up with translatable text
that was updated by code or doc changes. IOW, unless you are
working on the patch set as a member of the l10n team, you do not
touch these files. This is to avoid unnecessary churn and
burdening the l10n teams with synchronization pain.
The above is my understanding of the workflow agreed on by people
inside and outside the l10n group, but I'd like to double-check
with the i18n coordinator (Cc'ed). If I understand correctly, the
recent workflow used by the l10n teams gives more autonomy to
individual teams than before, which may have changed the equation.
The removals we see in the diffstat touch lines in the early part
that appears in the manual page, namely ...
gittutorial-2(7)
================
NAME
----
gittutorial-2 - A tutorial introduction to Git: part two
SYNOPSIS
the string used for "NAME", and one of them looks like this:
diff --git c/po/es.po w/po/es.po
index aa1bb9bf90..dcdcbf5360 100644
--- c/po/es.po
+++ w/po/es.po
@@ -14046,9 +14046,6 @@ msgstr "Montar un repositorio dentro de otro"
msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git"
msgstr "Un tutorial de introducción a Git"
-msgid "A tutorial introduction to Git: part two"
-msgstr "Un tutorial de introducción a Git: parte dos"
-
msgid "Git web interface (web frontend to Git repositories)"
msgstr "Interfaz web Git (interfaz web para repositorios Git)"
I'd say a patch set like this one, which is not about updating the
localization, should just leave po/ intact, since the removal does
not help without a corresponding addition from the same "NAME" in the
file that replaces this "gittutorial-2", which reads like
gittutorial-2(7)
================
NAME
----
gittutorial-2 - Obsolete tutorial
SYNOPSIS
and as the patch set stands, we are leaving it to the l10n teams
anyway to add "Obsolete tutorial" to the set of translatable
strings.
Jiang Xin (i18n/l10n coordinator), what do you and the l10n teams
want to see in a patch like this one?
Thanks.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-29 21:58 ` Junio C Hamano
@ 2026-09-29 22:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-30 6:15 ` Tuomas Ahola
2026-09-30 13:16 ` Julia Evans
0 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2026-09-29 22:24 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget; +Cc: git, Julia Evans
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
> "Julia Evans via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc | 2 +-
>> Documentation/git.adoc | 2 +-
>> Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc | 1 -
>> Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc | 2 +-
>> Documentation/gitglossary.adoc | 1 -
>> Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc | 422 +--------------------------
>> Documentation/gittutorial.adoc | 23 +-
>> command-list.txt | 1 -
>> po/bg.po | 3 -
>> po/ca.po | 4 -
>> po/de.po | 3 -
>> po/el.po | 4 -
>> po/es.po | 3 -
>> po/fr.po | 3 -
>> po/ga.po | 3 -
>> po/id.po | 3 -
>> po/it.po | 4 -
>> po/ko.po | 3 -
>> po/pl.po | 3 -
>> po/pt_PT.po | 4 -
>> po/ru.po | 3 -
>> po/sv.po | 3 -
>> po/tr.po | 3 -
>> po/uk.po | 3 -
>> po/vi.po | 3 -
>> po/zh_CN.po | 4 -
>> po/zh_TW.po | 4 -
>> 27 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 503 deletions(-)
>
> One thing I forgot to mention.
Sorry, but there was another. With this merged, doc-lint seems to
fail and breaks 'seen'.
...
LINT DOCSTYLE includes/cmd-config-section-all.adoc
no link: gittutorial-2
gmake[1]: *** [Makefile:537: lint-docs-manpages] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/home/gitster/w/buildfarm/seen/Documentation'
gmake: *** [Makefile:4003: check-docs] Error 2
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-29 22:24 ` Junio C Hamano
@ 2026-09-30 6:15 ` Tuomas Ahola
2026-09-30 14:22 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-30 13:16 ` Julia Evans
1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Tuomas Ahola @ 2026-09-30 6:15 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Junio C Hamano; +Cc: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, git, Julia Evans
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> writes:
>
> >
> > One thing I forgot to mention.
>
> Sorry, but there was another. With this merged, doc-lint seems to
> fail and breaks 'seen'.
>
> ...
> LINT DOCSTYLE includes/cmd-config-section-all.adoc
> no link: gittutorial-2
> gmake[1]: *** [Makefile:537: lint-docs-manpages] Error 1
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/home/gitster/w/buildfarm/seen/Documentation'
> gmake: *** [Makefile:4003: check-docs] Error 2
>
If we want to build gittutorial-2(7) as a manpage stub but to hide it in `git
help --guides`, we can squelch that linter error with a merge-fix:
diff --git a/Documentation/lint-manpages.sh b/Documentation/lint-manpages.sh
index d4a1977ba6..db2a54116d 100755
--- a/Documentation/lint-manpages.sh
+++ b/Documentation/lint-manpages.sh
@@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ check_missing_docs () (
git-legacy-*) continue;;
git-?*--?* ) continue ;;
gitweb.conf) continue ;;
+ gittutorial-2) continue ;;
esac
if ! test -f "$v.adoc"
^ permalink raw reply related [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-30 6:15 ` Tuomas Ahola
@ 2026-09-30 14:22 ` Junio C Hamano
0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2026-09-30 14:22 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tuomas Ahola; +Cc: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, git, Julia Evans
Tuomas Ahola <taahol@utu.fi> writes:
>> Sorry, but there was another. With this merged, doc-lint seems to
>> fail and breaks 'seen'.
>>
>> ...
>> LINT DOCSTYLE includes/cmd-config-section-all.adoc
>> no link: gittutorial-2
>> gmake[1]: *** [Makefile:537: lint-docs-manpages] Error 1
>> gmake[1]: Leaving directory '/home/gitster/w/buildfarm/seen/Documentation'
>> gmake: *** [Makefile:4003: check-docs] Error 2
>>
>
> If we want to build gittutorial-2(7) as a manpage stub but to hide it in `git
> help --guides`, we can squelch that linter error with a merge-fix:
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/lint-manpages.sh b/Documentation/lint-manpages.sh
> index d4a1977ba6..db2a54116d 100755
> --- a/Documentation/lint-manpages.sh
> +++ b/Documentation/lint-manpages.sh
> @@ -32,6 +32,7 @@ check_missing_docs () (
> git-legacy-*) continue;;
> git-?*--?* ) continue ;;
> gitweb.conf) continue ;;
> + gittutorial-2) continue ;;
> esac
>
> if ! test -f "$v.adoc"
Great. Will use that in future integration runs.
How close is your topic to 'next', by the way? I think we have
already caught a few missing links since it was queued in 'seen',
and that should be enough to prove its worth. Even so, that is
merely "we saw cases where it was useful" and neither "we know it
will not fire when it should not" and nor "we know it will always
fire when it should" (which is why we want to see a solid review).
What I am wondering is if Julia's topic should be built on top of
the ta/command-list-guides-sync-lint topic. Perhaps it is a bad
idea and coping with merge-fix would be more flexible.
Thanks.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-29 22:24 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-09-30 6:15 ` Tuomas Ahola
@ 2026-09-30 13:16 ` Julia Evans
2026-09-30 14:07 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Julia Evans @ 2026-09-30 13:16 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Junio C Hamano, Julia Evans; +Cc: git
> Sorry, but there was another. With this merged, doc-lint seems to
> fail and breaks 'seen'.
>
> ...
> LINT DOCSTYLE includes/cmd-config-section-all.adoc
> no link: gittutorial-2
> gmake[1]: *** [Makefile:537: lint-docs-manpages] Error 1
> gmake[1]: Leaving directory
> '/home/gitster/w/buildfarm/seen/Documentation'
> gmake: *** [Makefile:4003: check-docs] Error 2
Weird, when I run `make lint-docs` on my branch it succeeds
(before merging it into `seen`). But I agree with you that
it fails when merged into `seen`. I'll try to figure out why.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-30 13:16 ` Julia Evans
@ 2026-09-30 14:07 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Kristoffer Haugsbakk @ 2026-09-30 14:07 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Evans, Junio C Hamano, GGGGGGGGGGadget; +Cc: git
On Wed, Sep 30, 2026, at 15:16, Julia Evans wrote:
>> Sorry, but there was another. With this merged, doc-lint seems to
>> fail and breaks 'seen'.
>>
>> ...
>> LINT DOCSTYLE includes/cmd-config-section-all.adoc
>> no link: gittutorial-2
>> gmake[1]: *** [Makefile:537: lint-docs-manpages] Error 1
>> gmake[1]: Leaving directory
>> '/home/gitster/w/buildfarm/seen/Documentation'
>> gmake: *** [Makefile:4003: check-docs] Error 2
>
> Weird, when I run `make lint-docs` on my branch it succeeds
> (before merging it into `seen`). But I agree with you that
> it fails when merged into `seen`. I'll try to figure out why.
It looks like it’s because 4ce144a1 (lint-docs: check the guide list in
command-list.txt, 2026-09-10) introduced `MAN_GUIDES`.
diff --git Documentation/lint-manpages.sh Documentation/lint-manpages.sh
index a0ea572382d..d4a1977ba6b 100755
--- Documentation/lint-manpages.sh
+++ Documentation/lint-manpages.sh
@@ -1,21 +1,23 @@
[...]
check_missing_docs () (
ret=0
- for v in $ALL_COMMANDS
+ for v in $ALL_COMMANDS $MAN_GUIDES
do
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* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-28 20:25 [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2 Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
` (4 preceding siblings ...)
2026-09-29 21:58 ` Junio C Hamano
@ 2026-09-30 6:00 ` Tuomas Ahola
2026-09-30 14:01 ` Julia Evans
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
6 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Tuomas Ahola @ 2026-09-30 6:00 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget; +Cc: git, Julia Evans, Junio C Hamano
"Julia Evans via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> wrote:
> This patch series removes gittutorial-2 and all references to it, leaving a
> stub behind to help out any users who might be looking for this
> documentation.
>
> The goal is to remove obsolete documentation and make it easier to improve
> our tutorial material in the future.
>
Thanks, that sounds great.
> I tested that the docs are staying internally consistent by running git grep
> tutorial-2 and making sure that the only remaining references are in the
> Makefiles, the document itself, and some example output in user-manual.adoc
> which isn't relevant to the actual manual.
>
> Here's a pointer to a past discussion:
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/git/7004c3b1-2100-4a90-9815-2a679ceb25b2@app.fastmail.com/T/#mf600063180d6239916e3fa6e9d33da86969547ec
>
> Julia Evans (3):
> [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
> [doc] Remove references to gittutorial-2
> [doc] Delete translations of gittutorial-2 description
Hmm, the normal format would be more like this:
doc: remove gittutorial-2
Please note that the words in square brackets are dropped by git-am(1). For
example, another patch series of yours is currently represented like this:
$ git fetch https://github.com/gitster/git je/doc-merge-conflicts:je/doc-merge-conflicts
$ git shortlog origin/seen..je/doc-merge-conflicts
Julia Evans (7):
Add new gitmergeconflicts man page
git-merge: link to new merge conflicts guide
git-rebase: link to new merge conflicts guide
git-revert: link to new merge conflicts guide
git-cherry-pick: link to new merge conflicts guide
git-pull: link to new merge conflicts guide
ignore conflict markers in gitmergeconflicts.adoc
(And the fact that these are documentation patches is indeed something we would
like to preserve in the shortlog.)
--Tuomas
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread* Re: [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-30 6:00 ` Tuomas Ahola
@ 2026-09-30 14:01 ` Julia Evans
0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Julia Evans @ 2026-09-30 14:01 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tuomas Ahola, Julia Evans; +Cc: git, Junio C Hamano
> Hmm, the normal format would be more like this:
>
> doc: remove gittutorial-2
>
> Please note that the words in square brackets are dropped by git-am(1). For
> example, another patch series of yours is currently represented like this:
Thanks, will fix. For some reason I thought the format I used when
I was working on this last year was `[doc]` but I was remembering wrong and
it was `doc: `, like you say.
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread
* [PATCH v2 0/2] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-09-28 20:25 [PATCH 0/3] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2 Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
` (5 preceding siblings ...)
2026-09-30 6:00 ` Tuomas Ahola
@ 2026-10-05 20:20 ` Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] doc: remove gittutorial-2 Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
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6 siblings, 4 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget @ 2026-10-05 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: git; +Cc: Tuomas Ahola, Kristoffer Haugsbakk, Julia Evans
This patch series removes gittutorial-2 and all references to it, leaving a
stub behind to help out any users who might be looking for this
documentation.
The goal is to remove obsolete documentation and make it easier to improve
our tutorial material in the future.
I tested that the docs are staying internally consistent by running git grep
tutorial-2 and making sure that the only remaining references are in the
Makefiles, the document itself, and some example output in user-manual.adoc
which isn't relevant to the actual manual.
Changes in v2:
* Remove changes to .po files (thanks to Junio)
* Reword commit messages to doc: ... (thanks to Tuomas)
To deal with the conflict with 4ce144a1 (which requires that all guides be
listed in command-list.txt) I think we need to add another exception to
lint-manpages.sh (like Tuomas said).
Julia Evans (2):
doc: remove gittutorial-2
doc: remove references to gittutorial-2
Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc | 2 +-
Documentation/git.adoc | 2 +-
Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc | 1 -
Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc | 2 +-
Documentation/gitglossary.adoc | 1 -
Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc | 422 +--------------------------
Documentation/gittutorial.adoc | 23 +-
7 files changed, 14 insertions(+), 439 deletions(-)
base-commit: 0f8e75abebff0877cae681a3d5ff31ac47f54220
Published-As: https://github.com/gitgitgadget/git/releases/tag/pr-2241%2Fjvns%2Fdelete-tutorial2-v2
Fetch-It-Via: git fetch https://github.com/gitgitgadget/git pr-2241/jvns/delete-tutorial2-v2
Pull-Request: https://github.com/gitgitgadget/git/pull/2241
Range-diff vs v1:
1: 54404cd8df ! 1: 5fd36f91f0 [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
@@ Metadata
Author: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
## Commit message ##
- [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
+ doc: remove gittutorial-2
It hasn't been substantially updated for 20 years
(see `git diff e31952da5c52a4c1:Documentation/tutorial-2.txt
2: a76819e3af ! 2: 68867aa3fc [doc] Remove references to gittutorial-2
@@ Metadata
Author: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
## Commit message ##
- [doc] Remove references to gittutorial-2
+ doc: remove references to gittutorial-2
Redirect folks to `gitdatamodel` instead, since every time it's
referenced the intent is to explain objects, references, blobs, etc.
3: 017ca1346d < -: ---------- [doc] Delete translations of gittutorial-2 description
--
gitgitgadget
^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 28+ messages in thread* [PATCH v2 1/2] doc: remove gittutorial-2
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
@ 2026-10-05 20:20 ` Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2026-10-05 20:37 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] doc: remove references to gittutorial-2 Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
` (2 subsequent siblings)
3 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget @ 2026-10-05 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: git; +Cc: Tuomas Ahola, Kristoffer Haugsbakk, Julia Evans, Julia Evans
From: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
It hasn't been substantially updated for 20 years
(see `git diff e31952da5c52a4c1:Documentation/tutorial-2.txt
0f8e75abebff0877:Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc`)
and it's becoming out of date, for example:
- refs do not necessarily live in `.git/refs`
- we don't really call it "the index file" anymore, and we don't
encourage users to think about the individual files in `.git` as much
as we did 20 years ago
More importantly, this approach of introducing Git by learning about the
contents of `.git` does not work for most people learning Git for the
first time. It's interesting information for some people (maybe more
advanced users or folks with a strong computer science background, for
not appropriate for a general tutorial).
Right now `gittutorial-2` is meant to be a logical sequel to
`gittutorial` ("read gittutorial, then gittutorial-2").
Deleting `gittutorial-2` means that we can more easily rewrite the main
`gittutorial` (which is also not effective) in any way we want, without
having to make sure that `gittutorial-2` is the logical next step.
We have other documentation which can serve a similar purpose to
tutorial-2 and isn't framed as a general tutorial appropriate for
everyone.
Keep building the man page for now and leave behind a stub to
redirect folks to those other documents.
Signed-off-by: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
---
Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc | 422 +------------------------------
1 file changed, 6 insertions(+), 416 deletions(-)
diff --git a/Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc b/Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc
index 8bdb7d0bd3..6396e763c4 100644
--- a/Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc
@@ -3,7 +3,7 @@ gittutorial-2(7)
NAME
----
-gittutorial-2 - A tutorial introduction to Git: part two
+gittutorial-2 - Obsolete tutorial
SYNOPSIS
--------
@@ -13,423 +13,13 @@ git *
DESCRIPTION
-----------
-You should work through linkgit:gittutorial[7] before reading this tutorial.
+This tutorial has been deleted since it had become very stale.
-The goal of this tutorial is to introduce two fundamental pieces of
-Git's architecture--the object database and the index file--and to
-provide the reader with everything necessary to understand the rest
-of the Git documentation.
+See linkgit:gitdatamodel[7] for an explanation of how Git's core data
+structures work (objects, references and the index).
-The Git object database
------------------------
-
-Let's start a new project and create a small amount of history:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ mkdir test-project
-$ cd test-project
-$ git init
-Initialized empty Git repository in .git/
-$ echo 'hello world' > file.txt
-$ git add .
-$ git commit -a -m "initial commit"
-[master (root-commit) 54196cc] initial commit
- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+)
- create mode 100644 file.txt
-$ echo 'hello world!' >file.txt
-$ git commit -a -m "add emphasis"
-[master c4d59f3] add emphasis
- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
-------------------------------------------------
-
-What are the 7 digits of hex that Git responded to the commit with?
-
-We saw in part one of the tutorial that commits have names like this.
-It turns out that every object in the Git history is stored under
-a 40-digit hex name. That name is the SHA-1 hash of the object's
-contents; among other things, this ensures that Git will never store
-the same data twice (since identical data is given an identical SHA-1
-name), and that the contents of a Git object will never change (since
-that would change the object's name as well). The 7 char hex strings
-here are simply the abbreviation of such 40 character long strings.
-Abbreviations can be used everywhere where the 40 character strings
-can be used, so long as they are unambiguous.
-
-It is expected that the content of the commit object you created while
-following the example above generates a different SHA-1 hash than
-the one shown above because the commit object records the time when
-it was created and the name of the person performing the commit.
-
-We can ask Git about this particular object with the `cat-file`
-command. Don't copy the 40 hex digits from this example but use those
-from your own version. Note that you can shorten it to only a few
-characters to save yourself typing all 40 hex digits:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file -t 54196cc2
-commit
-$ git cat-file commit 54196cc2
-tree 92b8b694ffb1675e5975148e1121810081dbdffe
-author J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143414668 -0500
-committer J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143414668 -0500
-
-initial commit
-------------------------------------------------
-
-A tree can refer to one or more "blob" objects, each corresponding to
-a file. In addition, a tree can also refer to other tree objects,
-thus creating a directory hierarchy. You can examine the contents of
-any tree using ls-tree (remember that a long enough initial portion
-of the SHA-1 will also work):
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git ls-tree 92b8b694
-100644 blob 3b18e512dba79e4c8300dd08aeb37f8e728b8dad file.txt
-------------------------------------------------
-
-Thus we see that this tree has one file in it. The SHA-1 hash is a
-reference to that file's data:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file -t 3b18e512
-blob
-------------------------------------------------
-
-A "blob" is just file data, which we can also examine with cat-file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file blob 3b18e512
-hello world
-------------------------------------------------
-
-Note that this is the old file data; so the object that Git named in
-its response to the initial tree was a tree with a snapshot of the
-directory state that was recorded by the first commit.
-
-All of these objects are stored under their SHA-1 names inside the Git
-directory:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ find .git/objects/
-.git/objects/
-.git/objects/pack
-.git/objects/info
-.git/objects/3b
-.git/objects/3b/18e512dba79e4c8300dd08aeb37f8e728b8dad
-.git/objects/92
-.git/objects/92/b8b694ffb1675e5975148e1121810081dbdffe
-.git/objects/54
-.git/objects/54/196cc2703dc165cbd373a65a4dcf22d50ae7f7
-.git/objects/a0
-.git/objects/a0/423896973644771497bdc03eb99d5281615b51
-.git/objects/d0
-.git/objects/d0/492b368b66bdabf2ac1fd8c92b39d3db916e59
-.git/objects/c4
-.git/objects/c4/d59f390b9cfd4318117afde11d601c1085f241
-------------------------------------------------
-
-and the contents of these files is just the compressed data plus a
-header identifying their length and their type. The type is either a
-blob, a tree, a commit, or a tag.
-
-The simplest commit to find is the HEAD commit, which we can find
-from .git/HEAD:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ cat .git/HEAD
-ref: refs/heads/master
-------------------------------------------------
-
-As you can see, this tells us which branch we're currently on, and it
-tells us this by naming a file under the .git directory, which itself
-contains a SHA-1 name referring to a commit object, which we can
-examine with cat-file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ cat .git/refs/heads/master
-c4d59f390b9cfd4318117afde11d601c1085f241
-$ git cat-file -t c4d59f39
-commit
-$ git cat-file commit c4d59f39
-tree d0492b368b66bdabf2ac1fd8c92b39d3db916e59
-parent 54196cc2703dc165cbd373a65a4dcf22d50ae7f7
-author J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143418702 -0500
-committer J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143418702 -0500
-
-add emphasis
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The "tree" object here refers to the new state of the tree:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git ls-tree d0492b36
-100644 blob a0423896973644771497bdc03eb99d5281615b51 file.txt
-$ git cat-file blob a0423896
-hello world!
-------------------------------------------------
-
-and the "parent" object refers to the previous commit:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file commit 54196cc2
-tree 92b8b694ffb1675e5975148e1121810081dbdffe
-author J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143414668 -0500
-committer J. Bruce Fields <bfields@puzzle.fieldses.org> 1143414668 -0500
-
-initial commit
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The tree object is the tree we examined first, and this commit is
-unusual in that it lacks any parent.
-
-Most commits have only one parent, but it is also common for a commit
-to have multiple parents. In that case the commit represents a
-merge, with the parent references pointing to the heads of the merged
-branches.
-
-Besides blobs, trees, and commits, the only remaining type of object
-is a "tag", which we won't discuss here; refer to linkgit:git-tag[1]
-for details.
-
-So now we know how Git uses the object database to represent a
-project's history:
-
- * "commit" objects refer to "tree" objects representing the
- snapshot of a directory tree at a particular point in the
- history, and refer to "parent" commits to show how they're
- connected into the project history.
- * "tree" objects represent the state of a single directory,
- associating directory names to "blob" objects containing file
- data and "tree" objects containing subdirectory information.
- * "blob" objects contain file data without any other structure.
- * References to commit objects at the head of each branch are
- stored in files under .git/refs/heads/.
- * The name of the current branch is stored in .git/HEAD.
-
-Note, by the way, that lots of commands take a tree as an argument.
-But as we can see above, a tree can be referred to in many different
-ways--by the SHA-1 name for that tree, by the name of a commit that
-refers to the tree, by the name of a branch whose head refers to that
-tree, etc.--and most such commands can accept any of these names.
-
-In command synopses, the word "tree-ish" is sometimes used to
-designate such an argument.
-
-The index file
---------------
-
-The primary tool we've been using to create commits is `git-commit
--a`, which creates a commit including every change you've made to
-your working tree. But what if you want to commit changes only to
-certain files? Or only certain changes to certain files?
-
-If we look at the way commits are created under the cover, we'll see
-that there are more flexible ways creating commits.
-
-Continuing with our test-project, let's modify file.txt again:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ echo "hello world, again" >>file.txt
-------------------------------------------------
-
-but this time instead of immediately making the commit, let's take an
-intermediate step, and ask for diffs along the way to keep track of
-what's happening:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git diff
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1 +1,2 @@
- hello world!
-+hello world, again
-$ git add file.txt
-$ git diff
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The last diff is empty, but no new commits have been made, and the
-head still doesn't contain the new line:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git diff HEAD
-diff --git a/file.txt b/file.txt
-index a042389..513feba 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1 +1,2 @@
- hello world!
-+hello world, again
-------------------------------------------------
-
-So 'git diff' is comparing against something other than the head.
-The thing that it's comparing against is actually the index file,
-which is stored in .git/index in a binary format, but whose contents
-we can examine with ls-files:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git ls-files --stage
-100644 513feba2e53ebbd2532419ded848ba19de88ba00 0 file.txt
-$ git cat-file -t 513feba2
-blob
-$ git cat-file blob 513feba2
-hello world!
-hello world, again
-------------------------------------------------
-
-So what our 'git add' did was store a new blob and then put
-a reference to it in the index file. If we modify the file again,
-we'll see that the new modifications are reflected in the 'git diff'
-output:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ echo 'again?' >>file.txt
-$ git diff
-index 513feba..ba3da7b 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1,2 +1,3 @@
- hello world!
- hello world, again
-+again?
-------------------------------------------------
-
-With the right arguments, 'git diff' can also show us the difference
-between the working directory and the last commit, or between the
-index and the last commit:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git diff HEAD
-diff --git a/file.txt b/file.txt
-index a042389..ba3da7b 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1 +1,3 @@
- hello world!
-+hello world, again
-+again?
-$ git diff --cached
-diff --git a/file.txt b/file.txt
-index a042389..513feba 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1 +1,2 @@
- hello world!
-+hello world, again
-------------------------------------------------
-
-At any time, we can create a new commit using 'git commit' (without
-the "-a" option), and verify that the state committed only includes the
-changes stored in the index file, not the additional change that is
-still only in our working tree:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git commit -m "repeat"
-$ git diff HEAD
-diff --git a/file.txt b/file.txt
-index 513feba..ba3da7b 100644
---- a/file.txt
-+++ b/file.txt
-@@ -1,2 +1,3 @@
- hello world!
- hello world, again
-+again?
-------------------------------------------------
-
-So by default 'git commit' uses the index to create the commit, not
-the working tree; the "-a" option to commit tells it to first update
-the index with all changes in the working tree.
-
-Finally, it's worth looking at the effect of 'git add' on the index
-file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ echo "goodbye, world" >closing.txt
-$ git add closing.txt
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The effect of the 'git add' was to add one entry to the index file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git ls-files --stage
-100644 8b9743b20d4b15be3955fc8d5cd2b09cd2336138 0 closing.txt
-100644 513feba2e53ebbd2532419ded848ba19de88ba00 0 file.txt
-------------------------------------------------
-
-And, as you can see with cat-file, this new entry refers to the
-current contents of the file:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git cat-file blob 8b9743b2
-goodbye, world
-------------------------------------------------
-
-The "status" command is a useful way to get a quick summary of the
-situation:
-
-------------------------------------------------
-$ git status
-On branch master
-Changes to be committed:
- (use "git restore --staged <file>..." to unstage)
-
- new file: closing.txt
-
-Changes not staged for commit:
- (use "git add <file>..." to update what will be committed)
- (use "git restore <file>..." to discard changes in working directory)
-
- modified: file.txt
-
-------------------------------------------------
-
-Since the current state of closing.txt is cached in the index file,
-it is listed as "Changes to be committed". Since file.txt has
-changes in the working directory that aren't reflected in the index,
-it is marked "changed but not updated". At this point, running "git
-commit" would create a commit that added closing.txt (with its new
-contents), but that didn't modify file.txt.
-
-Also, note that a bare `git diff` shows the changes to file.txt, but
-not the addition of closing.txt, because the version of closing.txt
-in the index file is identical to the one in the working directory.
-
-In addition to being the staging area for new commits, the index file
-is also populated from the object database when checking out a
-branch, and is used to hold the trees involved in a merge operation.
-See linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7] and the relevant man
-pages for details.
-
-What next?
-----------
-
-At this point you should know everything necessary to read the man
-pages for any of the git commands; one good place to start would be
-with the commands mentioned in linkgit:giteveryday[7]. You
-should be able to find any unknown jargon in linkgit:gitglossary[7].
-
-The link:user-manual.html[Git User's Manual] provides a more
-comprehensive introduction to Git.
-
-linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7] explains how to
-import a CVS repository into Git, and shows how to use Git in a
-CVS-like way.
-
-For some interesting examples of Git use, see the
-link:howto-index.html[howtos].
-
-For Git developers, linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7] goes
-into detail on the lower-level Git mechanisms involved in, for
-example, creating a new commit.
-
-SEE ALSO
---------
-linkgit:gittutorial[7],
-linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
-linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7],
-linkgit:gitglossary[7],
-linkgit:git-help[1],
-linkgit:giteveryday[7],
-link:user-manual.html[The Git User's Manual]
+See linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7] for a practical tutorial on how to
+explore Git's internals.
GIT
---
--
gitgitgadget
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@ 2026-10-05 20:37 ` Kristoffer Haugsbakk
0 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Kristoffer Haugsbakk @ 2026-10-05 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: git, GGGGGG; +Cc: Tuomas Ahola, Julia Evans
On Mon, Oct 5, 2026, at 22:20, Julia Evans via GitGitGadget wrote:
> From: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
>[snip]
>
> More importantly, this approach of introducing Git by learning about the
> contents of `.git` does not work for most people learning Git for the
> first time. It's interesting information for some people (maybe more
> advanced users or folks with a strong computer science background, for
> not appropriate for a general tutorial).
for not?
), but not appropriate
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* [PATCH v2 2/2] doc: remove references to gittutorial-2
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] doc: remove gittutorial-2 Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
@ 2026-10-05 20:20 ` Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2026-10-05 20:37 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2 Junio C Hamano
2026-10-06 5:50 ` Tuomas Ahola
3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget @ 2026-10-05 20:20 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: git; +Cc: Tuomas Ahola, Kristoffer Haugsbakk, Julia Evans, Julia Evans
From: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
Redirect folks to `gitdatamodel` instead, since every time it's
referenced the intent is to explain objects, references, blobs, etc.
The update to `gittutorial` isn't very carefully thought through since
we're planning to delete that entire document anyway. It's just there to
maintain some internal consistency.
Signed-off-by: Julia Evans <julia@jvns.ca>
---
Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc | 2 +-
Documentation/git.adoc | 2 +-
Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc | 1 -
Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc | 2 +-
Documentation/gitglossary.adoc | 1 -
Documentation/gittutorial.adoc | 23 +++++------------------
6 files changed, 8 insertions(+), 23 deletions(-)
diff --git a/Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc b/Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc
index 413a9fdb05..76e635b93a 100644
--- a/Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/MyFirstObjectWalk.adoc
@@ -145,7 +145,7 @@ used to track the allocated size of the list.
Per entry, we find:
`item` is the object provided upon which to base the object walk. Items in Git
-can be blobs, trees, commits, or tags. (See `Documentation/gittutorial-2.adoc`.)
+can be blobs, trees, commits, or tags. (See `Documentation/gitdatamodel.adoc`.)
`name` is the object ID (OID) of the object - a hex string you may be familiar
with from using Git to organize your source in the past. Check the tutorial
diff --git a/Documentation/git.adoc b/Documentation/git.adoc
index 6f0075f918..1f0cbaee7a 100644
--- a/Documentation/git.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/git.adoc
@@ -1200,7 +1200,7 @@ the Git Security mailing list <git-security@googlegroups.com>.
SEE ALSO
--------
-linkgit:gittutorial[7], linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
+linkgit:gittutorial[7],
linkgit:giteveryday[7], linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
linkgit:gitglossary[7], linkgit:gitdatamodel[7],
linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7], linkgit:gitcli[7],
diff --git a/Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc b/Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc
index 2122aeb976..abbe193056 100644
--- a/Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gitcore-tutorial.adoc
@@ -1649,7 +1649,6 @@ to follow, not easier.
SEE ALSO
--------
linkgit:gittutorial[7],
-linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
linkgit:git-help[1],
linkgit:giteveryday[7],
diff --git a/Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc b/Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc
index 905d08cd5f..66a5c3ed6d 100644
--- a/Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gitcvs-migration.adoc
@@ -194,7 +194,7 @@ repositories without the need for a central maintainer.
SEE ALSO
--------
linkgit:gittutorial[7],
-linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
+linkgit:gitdatamodel[7],
linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7],
linkgit:gitglossary[7],
linkgit:giteveryday[7],
diff --git a/Documentation/gitglossary.adoc b/Documentation/gitglossary.adoc
index b046d9cb29..6051f494d3 100644
--- a/Documentation/gitglossary.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gitglossary.adoc
@@ -18,7 +18,6 @@ SEE ALSO
--------
linkgit:gitdatamodel[7],
linkgit:gittutorial[7],
-linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
linkgit:giteveryday[7],
link:user-manual.html[The Git User's Manual]
diff --git a/Documentation/gittutorial.adoc b/Documentation/gittutorial.adoc
index 519b8d8be2..006e534778 100644
--- a/Documentation/gittutorial.adoc
+++ b/Documentation/gittutorial.adoc
@@ -622,24 +622,12 @@ Next Steps
----------
This tutorial should be enough to perform basic distributed revision
-control for your projects. However, to fully understand the depth
-and power of Git you need to understand two simple ideas on which it
-is based:
+control for your projects. However, to fully understand the Git
+documentation, it's useful to learn how Git stores the history of
+your project in its database. See linkgit:gitdatamodel[7] for an
+explanation.
- * The object database is the rather elegant system used to
- store the history of your project--files, directories, and
- commits.
-
- * The index file is a cache of the state of a directory tree,
- used to create commits, check out working directories, and
- hold the various trees involved in a merge.
-
-Part two of this tutorial explains the object
-database, the index file, and a few other odds and ends that you'll
-need to make the most of Git. You can find it at linkgit:gittutorial-2[7].
-
-If you don't want to continue with that right away, a few other
-digressions that may be interesting at this point are:
+A few other commands that may be interesting:
* linkgit:git-format-patch[1], linkgit:git-am[1]: These convert
series of git commits into emailed patches, and vice versa,
@@ -662,7 +650,6 @@ digressions that may be interesting at this point are:
SEE ALSO
--------
-linkgit:gittutorial-2[7],
linkgit:gitcvs-migration[7],
linkgit:gitcore-tutorial[7],
linkgit:gitglossary[7],
--
gitgitgadget
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2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 1/2] doc: remove gittutorial-2 Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 2/2] doc: remove references to gittutorial-2 Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
@ 2026-10-05 20:37 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-06 5:50 ` Tuomas Ahola
3 siblings, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2026-10-05 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
Cc: git, Tuomas Ahola, Kristoffer Haugsbakk, Julia Evans
"Julia Evans via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> writes:
> This patch series removes gittutorial-2 and all references to it, leaving a
> stub behind to help out any users who might be looking for this
> documentation.
>
> The goal is to remove obsolete documentation and make it easier to improve
> our tutorial material in the future.
>
> I tested that the docs are staying internally consistent by running git grep
> tutorial-2 and making sure that the only remaining references are in the
> Makefiles, the document itself, and some example output in user-manual.adoc
> which isn't relevant to the actual manual.
>
> Changes in v2:
>
> * Remove changes to .po files (thanks to Junio)
> * Reword commit messages to doc: ... (thanks to Tuomas)
>
> To deal with the conflict with 4ce144a1 (which requires that all guides be
> listed in command-list.txt) I think we need to add another exception to
> lint-manpages.sh (like Tuomas said).
>
> Julia Evans (2):
> doc: remove gittutorial-2
> doc: remove references to gittutorial-2
The titles of this round looks much better ;-).
Will replace. Let me mark the topic for 'next'.
Thanks.
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* Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-10-05 20:20 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] " Julia Evans via GitGitGadget
` (2 preceding siblings ...)
2026-10-05 20:37 ` [PATCH v2 0/2] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2 Junio C Hamano
@ 2026-10-06 5:50 ` Tuomas Ahola
2026-10-06 17:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-06 17:34 ` Julia Evans
3 siblings, 2 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Tuomas Ahola @ 2026-10-06 5:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget; +Cc: git, Kristoffer Haugsbakk, Julia Evans
"Julia Evans via GitGitGadget" <gitgitgadget@gmail.com> wrote:
> This patch series removes gittutorial-2 and all references to it, leaving a
> stub behind to help out any users who might be looking for this
> documentation.
>
> The goal is to remove obsolete documentation and make it easier to improve
> our tutorial material in the future.
>
> I tested that the docs are staying internally consistent by running git grep
> tutorial-2 and making sure that the only remaining references are in the
> Makefiles, the document itself, and some example output in user-manual.adoc
> which isn't relevant to the actual manual.
>
> Changes in v2:
>
> * Remove changes to .po files (thanks to Junio)
> * Reword commit messages to doc: ... (thanks to Tuomas)
>
> To deal with the conflict with 4ce144a1 (which requires that all guides be
> listed in command-list.txt) I think we need to add another exception to
> lint-manpages.sh (like Tuomas said).
>
Excluding the po/ stuff, the v1->v2 interdiff looks like this:
$ git diff je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2@{1} je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2 -- ':!po/'
diff --git a/command-list.txt b/command-list.txt
index 5c649c882e..63ae2a67c9 100644
--- a/command-list.txt
+++ b/command-list.txt
@@ -244,6 +244,7 @@ gitrepository-layout userinterfaces
gitrevisions userinterfaces
gitsubmodules guide
gittutorial guide
+gittutorial-2 guide
gitweb ancillaryinterrogators
gitworkflows guide
scalar mainporcelain
That, as can be guessed, causes git(1) to advertize this "obsolete tutorial".
Perhaps we would like to avoid that.
$ (cd Documentation/ && ./doc-diff je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2@{1} je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2)
diff --git a/7da429d7fb86fe400c48984ea1506a9e0477e80e/home/taahol/share/man/man1/git.1 b/0bf477ce01b45853195f5f3da63642712dc35579/home/taahol/share/man/man1/git.1
index efc100186b..57a7f270c8 100644
--- a/7da429d7fb86fe400c48984ea1506a9e0477e80e/home/taahol/share/man/man1/git.1
+++ b/0bf477ce01b45853195f5f3da63642712dc35579/home/taahol/share/man/man1/git.1
@@ -800,6 +800,9 @@ GUIDES
gittutorial(7)
A tutorial introduction to Git.
+ gittutorial-2(7)
+ Obsolete tutorial.
+
gitworkflows(7)
An overview of recommended workflows with Git.
And let's not worry about that exception you mentioned. After this topic hits
'next', I can rebase mine on top on of this, and deal with all necessary
integration work.
Thanks!
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2026-10-06 5:50 ` Tuomas Ahola
@ 2026-10-06 17:17 ` Junio C Hamano
2026-10-06 18:45 ` Tuomas Ahola
2026-10-06 17:34 ` Julia Evans
1 sibling, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Junio C Hamano @ 2026-10-06 17:17 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tuomas Ahola
Cc: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, git, Kristoffer Haugsbakk,
Julia Evans
Tuomas Ahola <taahol@utu.fi> writes:
>> Changes in v2:
>>
>> * Remove changes to .po files (thanks to Junio)
>> * Reword commit messages to doc: ... (thanks to Tuomas)
>>
>> To deal with the conflict with 4ce144a1 (which requires that all guides be
>> listed in command-list.txt) I think we need to add another exception to
>> lint-manpages.sh (like Tuomas said).
>>
>
> Excluding the po/ stuff, the v1->v2 interdiff looks like this:
>
> $ git diff je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2@{1} je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2 -- ':!po/'
> diff --git a/command-list.txt b/command-list.txt
> index 5c649c882e..63ae2a67c9 100644
> --- a/command-list.txt
> +++ b/command-list.txt
> @@ -244,6 +244,7 @@ gitrepository-layout userinterfaces
> gitrevisions userinterfaces
> gitsubmodules guide
> gittutorial guide
> +gittutorial-2 guide
> gitweb ancillaryinterrogators
> gitworkflows guide
> scalar mainporcelain
>
> That, as can be guessed, causes git(1) to advertize this "obsolete tutorial".
> Perhaps we would like to avoid that.
>
> $ (cd Documentation/ && ./doc-diff je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2@{1} je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2)
> diff --git a/7da429d7fb86fe400c48984ea1506a9e0477e80e/home/taahol/share/man/man1/git.1 b/0bf477ce01b45853195f5f3da63642712dc35579/home/taahol/share/man/man1/git.1
> index efc100186b..57a7f270c8 100644
> --- a/7da429d7fb86fe400c48984ea1506a9e0477e80e/home/taahol/share/man/man1/git.1
> +++ b/0bf477ce01b45853195f5f3da63642712dc35579/home/taahol/share/man/man1/git.1
> @@ -800,6 +800,9 @@ GUIDES
> gittutorial(7)
> A tutorial introduction to Git.
>
> + gittutorial-2(7)
> + Obsolete tutorial.
> +
> gitworkflows(7)
> An overview of recommended workflows with Git.
>
>
> And let's not worry about that exception you mentioned. After this topic hits
> 'next', I can rebase mine on top on of this, and deal with all necessary
> integration work.
OK. So ...
- I'll tentatively eject both topics out of my tree,
- Julia will send in a replacement that does not add gittutorial-2
to the command-list, which will be merged to 'next',
- and then your topic will be queued again with an evil merge (by
me) to add gittutorial-2 back to the command-list file.
... and both topics will be happy?
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2026-10-06 17:17 ` Junio C Hamano
@ 2026-10-06 18:45 ` Tuomas Ahola
2026-10-06 20:48 ` Junio C Hamano
0 siblings, 1 reply; 28+ messages in thread
From: Tuomas Ahola @ 2026-10-06 18:45 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Junio C Hamano
Cc: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, git, Kristoffer Haugsbakk,
Julia Evans
Junio C Hamano <gitster@pobox.com> wrote:
> Tuomas Ahola <taahol@utu.fi> writes:
>
> > And let's not worry about that exception you mentioned. After this topic hits
> > 'next', I can rebase mine on top on of this, and deal with all necessary
> > integration work.
>
> OK. So ...
>
> - I'll tentatively eject both topics out of my tree,
>
> - Julia will send in a replacement that does not add gittutorial-2
> to the command-list, which will be merged to 'next',
>
> - and then your topic will be queued again with an evil merge (by
> me) to add gittutorial-2 back to the command-list file.
>
> ... and both topics will be happy?
With an evil merge, or by stacking my topic on top of Julia's---which I think
is the cleaner solution because that way I can add gt-2 as a linter exemption
in the patch itself and explain it in the commit message.
And if "back to the command-list file" wasn't just a thinko, then no, I don't
see that gt-2 should be re-added to command-list.txt.
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* Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-10-06 18:45 ` Tuomas Ahola
@ 2026-10-06 20:48 ` Junio C Hamano
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From: Junio C Hamano @ 2026-10-06 20:48 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tuomas Ahola
Cc: Julia Evans via GitGitGadget, git, Kristoffer Haugsbakk,
Julia Evans
Tuomas Ahola <taahol@utu.fi> writes:
> With an evil merge, or by stacking my topic on top of Julia's---which I think
> is the cleaner solution because that way I can add gt-2 as a linter exemption
> in the patch itself and explain it in the commit message.
OK, then I'll use a synthetic base (i.e., not directly on 'master'
or 'maint', but topic(s) by others merged to a more natural base)
when queuing your rerolled patch.
Thanks.
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* Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] [doc] Remove gittutorial-2
2026-10-06 5:50 ` Tuomas Ahola
2026-10-06 17:17 ` Junio C Hamano
@ 2026-10-06 17:34 ` Julia Evans
1 sibling, 0 replies; 28+ messages in thread
From: Julia Evans @ 2026-10-06 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Tuomas Ahola, Julia Evans; +Cc: git, Kristoffer Haugsbakk
> $ git diff je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2@{1} je/doc-remove-gittutorial-2
> -- ':!po/'
> diff --git a/command-list.txt b/command-list.txt
> index 5c649c882e..63ae2a67c9 100644
> --- a/command-list.txt
> +++ b/command-list.txt
> @@ -244,6 +244,7 @@ gitrepository-layout
> userinterfaces
> gitrevisions userinterfaces
> gitsubmodules guide
> gittutorial guide
> +gittutorial-2 guide
> gitweb ancillaryinterrogators
> gitworkflows guide
> scalar mainporcelain
>
>
> That, as can be guessed, causes git(1) to advertize this "obsolete tutorial".
> Perhaps we would like to avoid that.
Agreed that we shouldn't advertise an obsolete tutorial.
I'll remove it from `command-list.txt` on my branch and submit a v3.
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