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From: Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com>
To: Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>
Cc: Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Hoeun Ryu <hoeun.ryu@gmail.com>,
	"kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com"
	<kernel-hardening@lists.openwall.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>,
	PaX Team <pageexec@freemail.hu>, Emese Revfy <re.emese@gmail.com>,
	Russell King <linux@armlinux.org.uk>,
	"x86@kernel.org" <x86@kernel.org>
Subject: [kernel-hardening] Re: [RFC][PATCH 1/8] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure
Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 11:19:21 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20170302111920.GB19632@leverpostej> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrW21Hx1NiMSo7wu8o3c0TH4WUN_pMx20ZPH_AgwxKJRJw@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Mar 01, 2017 at 01:00:05PM -0800, Andy Lutomirski wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 12:13 PM, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:43 AM, Mark Rutland <mark.rutland@arm.com> wrote:
> >> The RW alias write_write(var, val) approach only relies on what arches
> >> already have to implement for userspace to work, so if we can figure out
> >> how to make that work API-wise, we can probably implement that
> >> generically with switch_mm() and {get,put}_user().
> >
> > With a third mm? I maybe misunderstood what you meant about userspace...
> 
> I think I'd like this series a lot better if the arch hooks were
> designed in such a way that a generic implementation could be backed
> by kmap, use_mm, or similar.  This would *require* that the arch hooks
> be able to return a different address.  Also, I see no reason that the
> list manipulation needs to be particularly special.  If the arch hook
> sets up an alias, couldn't the generic code just call it twice.

I completely agree.

There's some fun to be had with switch_mm/use_mm (e.g. with arm64's
TTBR0_SW_PAN), but I think we can solve that generically.

> So here's a new proposal for how the hooks could look:

> void __arch_rare_write_begin(void);
> void __arch_rare_write(void *dest, const void *source, size_t len);
> void __arch_rare_write_end(void);

I think we're on the same page, API-wise.

Modulo naming, and the len argument to the write function, this is
exactly the same as my original proposal.

I had assumed that we could derive the len argument implicitly from the
object being assigned to, but it doesn't really matter either way.

> Now a generic implementation could work by allocating a percpu
> mm_struct that contains a single giant VMA.  __arch_rare_write_begin()
> switches to that mm.  __arch_rare_write pokes some PTEs into the mm
> and calls copy_to_user().  __arch_rare_write_end() switches back to
> the original mm.  An x86 implementation could just fiddle with CR0.WP.

I'd expected that we'd know where the write_rarely data was up-front, so
we could set up the mapping statically, and just map it in at map/begin,
but otherwise this sounds like what I had in mind.

Thanks,
Mark.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-03-02 11:19 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-02-27 20:42 [kernel-hardening] [RFC] Introduce rare_write() infrastructure Kees Cook
2017-02-27 20:42 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 1/8] " Kees Cook
2017-02-28  8:22   ` [kernel-hardening] " Hoeun Ryu
2017-02-28 15:05     ` Kees Cook
2017-03-01 10:43       ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-01 20:13         ` Kees Cook
2017-03-01 20:31           ` Kees Cook
2017-03-01 21:00           ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-01 23:14             ` Kees Cook
2017-03-02 11:19             ` Mark Rutland [this message]
2017-03-02 16:33               ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-03-02 19:48                 ` Kees Cook
2017-02-27 20:43 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 2/8] lkdtm: add test for " Kees Cook
2017-02-27 20:43 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 3/8] net: switch sock_diag handlers to rare_write() Kees Cook
2017-02-27 20:43 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 4/8] x86: Implement __arch_rare_write_map/unmap() Kees Cook
2017-02-28 19:33   ` [kernel-hardening] " Andy Lutomirski
2017-02-28 21:35     ` Kees Cook
2017-02-28 22:54       ` Andy Lutomirski
2017-02-28 23:52         ` Kees Cook
2017-03-01 11:24           ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-01 20:25             ` Kees Cook
2017-03-02 11:20               ` Mark Rutland
2017-03-03  0:59             ` Hoeun Ryu
2017-03-01 10:59       ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-27 20:43 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 5/8] ARM: " Kees Cook
2017-03-01  1:04   ` [kernel-hardening] " Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-01  5:41     ` Kees Cook
2017-03-01 11:30       ` Russell King - ARM Linux
2017-03-02  0:08         ` Kees Cook
2017-03-01 11:50       ` Mark Rutland
2017-02-27 20:43 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 6/8] list: add rare_write() list helpers Kees Cook
2017-02-27 20:43 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 7/8] gcc-plugins: Add constify plugin Kees Cook
2017-02-27 20:43 ` [kernel-hardening] [RFC][PATCH 8/8] cgroups: force all struct cftype const Kees Cook

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