From: Peter Fang <peter.fang@intel.com>
To: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
Cc: Xu Yilun <yilun.xu@linux.intel.com>, <x86@kernel.org>,
<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-coco@lists.linux.dev>,
<linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <djbw@kernel.org>,
<kas@kernel.org>, <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
<yilun.xu@intel.com>, <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
<sohil.mehta@intel.com>, <adrian.hunter@intel.com>,
<kishen.maloor@intel.com>, <tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>,
<baolu.lu@linux.intel.com>, <zhenzhong.duan@intel.com>,
<dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>, <seanjc@google.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 08/17] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare Quote buffer during extension bringup
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2026 02:25:28 -0700 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260708092528.GH2169894@pedri> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <e06806e8-7334-4533-b1a3-e1efbe3fab8a@intel.com>
On Wed, Jul 01, 2026 at 12:56:19PM -0700, Dave Hansen wrote:
> On 6/18/26 01:13, Xu Yilun wrote:
> > For simplicity, let all guests share a global buffer. Build the buffer's
> > HPA_LINKED_LIST at Quoting extension bringup. This saves a bunch of
> > va-to-pa conversions at runtime.
>
> va-to-pa conversions are not expensive. Even for vmalloc() memory.If
>
> I don't like the global buffer. It just generally seems like a bad idea.
> It needs locking, it wastes memory when nobody is doing quotes, etc..
>
> Is there a way to do this without vmalloc()?
>
> Could userspace provide the memory and then the kernel just does a gup
> to keep it in place while the TDX module is writing to it? Or, could it
> just be allocated:
Hi Dave,
The GUP idea makes a lot of sense at a high level I think. However, the
shared buffer used by the GHCI call is not 4K-aligned because it has a
header in front of it, while the SEAMCALL expects 4K-aligned HPAs
(lesson learned...). This memory does come from userspace though:
struct tdx_quote_req { <-- 4K-aligned
u64 version;
u64 status;
u32 in_len;
u32 out_len;
u8 data[]; <-- shared buffer
};
So perhaps the simplest thing here is to just allocate a kernel buffer
before the SEAMCALL. There's also another subtle wrinkle here: KVM is
shifting from a FOLL_PIN-based API to an MMU-notifier-based API for
guest page accesses [1], so I think that means more complex code to talk
to the TDX module.
>
> void *buffer = vmalloc(size);
> mutex_lock();
> // talk to TDX module
> mutex_unlock();
> vfree(buffer);
>
> return ret;
>
> That actually has some nice properties. It doesn't require locking for
> the buffer. It also penalizes folks doing lots of quotes. If you hammer
> on quoting, you hammer on the memory allocator and TLB flushing code and
> slow yourself down more. If you hammer on it from multiple threads, it
> gets even worse.
>
> That seems like a feature not a bug.
This is a really good point... I'm a bit worried about the global impact
of vfree() though. IIUC it eventually triggers an all-CPU TLB shootdown,
so a guest abusing this path would not only throttle itself, but could
also hurt everyone else. This might be more useful if the buffer was
allocated in userspace? A free() in userspace usually triggers a more
limited TLB shootdown.
I think I can use alloc_pages_bulk() instead to avoid the TLB shootdown
cost altogether. It's a bit more work in KVM, but maybe worth it...
Thanks,
Peter
[1] https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/20211115165030.7422-8-dwmw2@infradead.org/
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-08 9:25 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 84+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-18 8:13 [PATCH v2 00/17] Enable DICE-based TDX Quoting Extension Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 01/17] x86/virt/tdx: Embed version info in SEAMCALL leaf function definitions Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 14:45 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-22 12:05 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 02/17] x86/virt/tdx: Configure add-on features on TDX module init and update Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 15:04 ` Dave Hansen
2026-06-22 13:15 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-24 12:00 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-24 22:10 ` Peter Fang
2026-06-25 6:33 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-23 8:43 ` Chao Gao
2026-06-25 10:50 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 03/17] x86/virt/tdx: Detect if the extensions initialization is required Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 5:19 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-25 10:57 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-29 6:33 ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 11:10 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 04/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add extra memory to TDX module for the extensions Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:54 ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-24 1:53 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-29 7:56 ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 10:27 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 05/17] x86/virt/tdx: Make TDX module initialize " Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:54 ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-23 17:03 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 06/17] x86/virt/tdx: Re-initialize the extensions on runtime TDX module update Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:58 ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-25 7:01 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-29 8:12 ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 11:14 ` Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 07/17] x86/virt/tdx: Initialize Quoting extension Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:50 ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-25 10:24 ` Peter Fang
2026-06-29 8:33 ` Chao Gao
2026-06-30 5:20 ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 08/17] x86/virt/tdx: Prepare Quote buffer during extension bringup Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 6:08 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-30 4:12 ` Peter Fang
2026-07-01 19:56 ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-08 9:25 ` Peter Fang [this message]
2026-07-08 7:52 ` Nikolay Borisov
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 09/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add interface to check Quoting availability Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 6:09 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 10/17] x86/virt/tdx: Move tdx_tdr_pa() up in the file Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 6:10 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 11/17] x86/virt/tdx: Add interface to generate a Quote Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 8:49 ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-30 15:28 ` Peter Fang
2026-06-25 6:05 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-30 4:22 ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 12/17] x86/virt/tdx: Reinitialize the Quoting extension after TDX module update Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 6:12 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 13/17] x86/virt/tdx: Enable Quoting extension Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 6:13 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 14/17] x86/tdx: Move and rename Quote request structure Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 6:15 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 15/17] KVM: TDX: Factor out userspace return path from tdx_get_quote() Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 6:16 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 16/17] KVM: TDX: Add in-kernel Quote generation Xu Yilun
2026-06-18 9:03 ` sashiko-bot
2026-06-30 15:52 ` Peter Fang
2026-06-25 18:01 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-29 10:03 ` Peter Fang
2026-06-30 0:42 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-06-30 23:33 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-01 0:24 ` Dan Williams (nvidia)
2026-07-01 17:25 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-01 18:45 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-04 5:43 ` Peter Fang
2026-07-06 17:57 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-08 20:47 ` Dave Hansen
2026-07-08 21:16 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-08 22:09 ` Peter Fang
2026-07-08 22:28 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-08 23:38 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-07-10 9:01 ` Nikolay Borisov
2026-07-10 9:38 ` Peter Fang
2026-07-08 21:37 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-10 12:52 ` Peter Fang
2026-07-10 14:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2026-07-10 22:59 ` Peter Fang
2026-06-18 8:13 ` [PATCH v2 17/17] KVM: TDX: Support event-notify interrupts only with userspace Quoting Xu Yilun
2026-06-25 6:28 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-06-30 6:36 ` Peter Fang
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