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From: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>
To: Vishal Annapurve <vannapurve@google.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Ira Weiny <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	Michael Roth <michael.roth@amd.com>,
	"Yan Zhao" <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>, <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	<kvm@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	<rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>, <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	<adrian.hunter@intel.com>, <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
	<xiaoyao.li@intel.com>, <tony.lindgren@intel.com>,
	<binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>, <dmatlack@google.com>,
	<isaku.yamahata@intel.com>, <david@redhat.com>,
	<ackerleytng@google.com>, <tabba@google.com>,
	<chao.p.peng@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] KVM: TDX: Decouple TDX init mem region from kvm_gmem_populate()
Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2025 18:11:05 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <68758e893367f_38ba712947a@iweiny-mobl.notmuch> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAGtprH8trSVcES50p6dFCMQ+2aY2YSDMOPW0C03iBN4tfvgaWQ@mail.gmail.com>

Vishal Annapurve wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 11, 2025 at 3:56 PM Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 11, 2025, Ira Weiny wrote:
> > > Michael Roth wrote:
> > > > For in-place conversion: the idea is that userspace will convert
> > > > private->shared to update in-place, then immediately convert back
> > > > shared->private;
> > >
> > > Why convert from private to shared and back to private?  Userspace which
> > > knows about mmap and supports it should create shared pages, mmap, write
> > > data, then convert to private.
> >
> > Dunno if there's a strong usecase for converting to shared *and* populating the
> > data, but I also don't know that it's worth going out of our way to prevent such
> > behavior, at least not without a strong reason to do so.  E.g. if it allowed for
> > a cleaner implementation or better semantics, then by all means.  But I don't
> > think that's true here?  Though I haven't thought hard about this, so don't
> > quote me on that. :-)
> 
> If this is a huge page backing, starting as shared will split all the
> pages to 4K granularity upon allocation.

Why?  What is the reason it needs to be split?

> To avoid splitting, userspace
> can start with everything as private when working with hugepages and
> then follow convert to shared -> populate -> convert to private as
> needed.

I'm not saying this could not be done but seems wasteful.

Ira

  reply	other threads:[~2025-07-14 23:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 45+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-07-03  6:26 [RFC PATCH] KVM: TDX: Decouple TDX init mem region from kvm_gmem_populate() Yan Zhao
2025-07-03 16:51 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-09 23:21 ` Michael Roth
2025-07-10 16:24   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-11  1:41     ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-11 14:21       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-11  4:36     ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-11 15:17       ` Michael Roth
2025-07-11 15:39         ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-11 16:34           ` Michael Roth
2025-07-11 18:38             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-11 19:49               ` Michael Roth
2025-07-11 20:19                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-11 20:25             ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-11 22:56               ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-11 23:04                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-14 23:11                   ` Ira Weiny [this message]
2025-07-15  0:41                     ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-14 23:08                 ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-14 23:12                   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-11 18:46           ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-12 17:38             ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-14  6:15           ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-14 15:46             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-14 16:02               ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-14 16:07                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-07-15  1:10               ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-18  9:14                 ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-18 15:57                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-18 18:42                     ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-18 18:59                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-21 17:46                         ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-28  9:48                     ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-29  0:45                       ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-07-29  1:37                         ` Yan Zhao
2025-07-29 16:33                           ` Ira Weiny
2025-08-05  0:22                             ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-05  1:20                               ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-05 14:30                                 ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-08-05 19:59                                 ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-06  0:09                                   ` Vishal Annapurve
2025-10-02 21:01                                     ` Ira Weiny
2025-10-03  0:15                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2025-10-03 15:31                                         ` Ira Weiny
2025-07-14  3:20         ` Yan Zhao

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