From: Leonardo Bras <leo.bras@arm.com>
To: Tian Zheng <zhengtian10@huawei.com>
Cc: Leonardo Bras <leo.bras@arm.com>,
Oliver Upton <oupton@kernel.org>,
maz@kernel.org, catalin.marinas@arm.com, will@kernel.org,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v4 3/6] KVM: arm64: Add auto DBM support for hardware dirty tracking
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2026 16:21:32 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpIfIOFfrudBzD5@LeoBrasDK> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0943eb14-9ffb-4dbb-9219-060e97bca2a7@huawei.com>
On Fri, Jul 17, 2026 at 11:58:06AM +0800, Tian Zheng wrote:
>
> On 7/16/2026 3:39 PM, Oliver Upton wrote:
> > Hi Tian,
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 09, 2026 at 06:40:23PM +0800, Tian Zheng wrote:
> > > - if (prot & KVM_PGTABLE_PROT_W)
> > > + if (prot & KVM_PGTABLE_PROT_W) {
> > > set |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_LO_S2_S2AP_W;
> > >
> > > + /*
> > > + * No DEVICE filter needed here: relax_perms is only called
> > > + * on FSC_PERM faults. Device pages always get full RW from
> > > + * initial mapping and are never write-protected during
> > > + * migration, so they never trigger a permission fault.
> > > + */
> > > + if (pgt->flags & KVM_PGTABLE_S2_DBM)
> > > + set |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_HI_S2_DBM;
> > > + } else {
> > > + /*
> > > + * Clear DBM on W→RO downgrade to prevent hardware from
> > > + * silently upgrading RO+DBM back to W+dirty, which would
> > > + * bypass KVM's write tracking and cause data corruption.
> > > + */
> > > + clr |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_HI_S2_DBM;
> > > + }
> > > +
> > This block makes it pretty evident that the DBM bit really *is* the
> > write permission bit. I'd much rather we introduce the concept of dirty
> > state to the page table library and migrate the abstract write
> > permission to the DBM field, even if we don't have FEAT_HAFDBS.
> >
Ohh, that's an amazing idea!
> > That way everything 'just works' from outside the page-table library:
> > write-protecting hugepages would have the effect of clearing DBM and we
> > can separately reap dirty state from page descriptors.
> >
> > If/when the architecture forces FEAT_S2PIE upon us we will need to make
> > this change anyway since dirty state management is unconditional and
> > handled separately from the actual permissions.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Oliver
>
> Hi Oliver,
>
> Thanks again for your insightful review. Following your suggestion, I've
>
> reworked the design around a unified three-state model that works regardless
>
> of whether FEAT_HAFDBS is implemented:
>
> **State table**
> State | DBM | S2AP[1] | Without HTTU | With HTTU (HAFDBS)
> Non-writable (N) | 0 | 0 | write -> fault, inject | write -> fault, inject
> Writable-clean (C) | 1 | 0 | write -> fault, sw C->D | write -> hw C->D, no fault, HDBSS logs
> Writable-dirty (D) | 1 | 1 | writable, no fault | writable, no fault
>
Yeah, that's how the table works with HAFDBS/HDBSS/HACDBS.
> **Proposed changes**
> 1. Remove KVM_PGTABLE_S2_DBM from enum kvm_pgtable_stage2_flags
>
> — VTCR_EL2.{HD,HDBSS,HA} enablement in kvm_arm_enable_hdbss_global()
>
> already keys off kvm->arch.enable_hdbss / system_supports_hdbss().
>
We may need a system_support_hdbss() for the actual hdbss routines, though.
> 2. stage2_set_prot_attr() — set DBM unconditionally on writable pages:
> ```
> if (prot & KVM_PGTABLE_PROT_W) {
> attr |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_LO_S2_S2AP_W;
> /* Writable-dirty: DBM=1 conveys write intent, S2AP[1]=1 marks dirty */
> attr |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_HI_S2_DBM;
> }
> ```
>
> 3. kvm_pgtable_stage2_relax_perms() — drop the else branch entirely:
> ```
> if (prot & KVM_PGTABLE_PROT_W) {
> set |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_LO_S2_S2AP_W;
> /* Non-writable -> Writable-dirty: restore both write intent and dirty state */
> set |= KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_HI_S2_DBM;
In the future, depending on the setup of HDBSS/splitting, we may want to
change this behavior. But for software only, it looks nice.
> }
> /* no else: callers passing !W (e.g. exec faults) must not touch DBM */
> ```
>
> 4. kvm_pgtable_stage2_wrprotect() — unchanged: it only clears S2AP1 (D->C).
>
> DBM is preserved so HDBSS re-arms next round.
> ```
> int kvm_pgtable_stage2_wrprotect(struct kvm_pgtable *pgt, u64 addr, u64
> size)
> {
> /* Writable-dirty -> Writable-clean: clear dirty state (S2AP_W),
> * preserve write intent (DBM) so HDBSS re-arms for next write.
> */
> return stage2_update_leaf_attrs(pgt, addr, size, 0,
> KVM_PTE_LEAF_ATTR_LO_S2_S2AP_W,
> NULL, NULL,
> KVM_PGTABLE_WALK_IGNORE_EAGAIN);
> }
> ```
>
> **One clarification**
> In the three-state model above, wrprotect() clears S2AP[1] but preserves DBM
> (D->C).
>
> This allows HDBSS to re-arm on the next write. If we instead cleared DBM as
> well (->N),
>
> HDBSS would be permanently disabled on that page and we'd lose the benefit
> of hardware
>
> dirty tracking.
>
>
> So my understanding is:
>
> wrprotect() (dirty tracking): D->C — clears S2AP[1], preserves DBM
>
> mkreadonly() (true RO, future): ->N — clears both S2AP[1] and DBM
>
> Does this match what you had in mind?
>
> Looking forward to your thoughts.
>
> Thanks,
> Tian
>
>
Thanks!
Leo
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-07-17 15:21 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 51+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-07-09 10:40 [PATCH v4 0/6] Support the FEAT_HDBSS introduced in Armv9.5 Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 1/6] KVM: arm64: Enable eager hugepage splitting if HDBSS is available Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 11:03 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 2/6] KVM: arm64: Add support for FEAT_HDBSS Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 11:00 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 3/6] KVM: arm64: Add auto DBM support for hardware dirty tracking Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 11:14 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-13 11:17 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 1:14 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 7:23 ` Marc Zyngier
2026-07-14 7:44 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 10:20 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-16 7:39 ` Oliver Upton
2026-07-17 3:58 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17 15:21 ` Leonardo Bras [this message]
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 4/6] KVM: arm64: Add HDBSS per-vCPU buffer management Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 11:15 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-13 13:39 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 7:15 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 10:47 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-15 9:16 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-15 14:28 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-17 4:06 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 5/6] KVM: arm64: Add HDBSS fault handling and buffer flush Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 11:26 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-13 14:06 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 7:38 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 10:50 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 13:27 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 14:19 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-17 6:51 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17 15:44 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-09 10:40 ` [PATCH v4 6/6] KVM: arm64: Add auto HDBSS enable/disable on dirty logging change Tian Zheng
2026-07-09 11:34 ` sashiko-bot
2026-07-13 14:50 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 8:58 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 11:16 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 14:33 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-16 8:37 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17 7:23 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17 15:50 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-16 7:15 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-17 15:53 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-13 10:31 ` [PATCH v4 0/6] Support the FEAT_HDBSS introduced in Armv9.5 Leonardo Bras
2026-07-13 16:27 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 10:39 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 11:20 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 13:29 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 9:37 ` Tian Zheng
2026-07-14 10:19 ` Leonardo Bras
2026-07-14 13:34 ` Tian Zheng
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