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From: Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
To: David Woodhouse <dwmw@amazon.co.uk>
Cc: "sashiko-reviews@lists.linux.dev"
	<sashiko-reviews@lists.linux.dev>,
	 "kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 3/7] KVM: pfncache: Use RCU for readers instead of a rwlock
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2026 11:11:02 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <anTONuMjSSD0CepY@google.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <bbb2ad42d2ee3b2c20cfc31c3d58a9fecebb77e4.camel@amazon.co.uk>

On Thu, Aug 06, 2026, David Woodhouse wrote:
> On Thu, 2026-08-06 at 09:53 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 05, 2026, sashiko-bot@kernel.org wrote:
> > > Replace the per-cache rwlock with RCU for the read side.
> > 
> > I don't hate the idea, but I am very against using RCU.  Unless it's "impossible",
> > e.g. because synchronize_srcu() allocates memory and breaks OOM kill, I would
> > strongly prefer to use SRCU, probably with a dedicated kvm->gpc_srcu, so that
> > synchronization doesn't need to wait on all CPUs in the system.  The tail latencies
> > for synchronize_rcu() are horrendous, especially for many-CPU systems.  If it
> > were only mmu_notifiers that got hit, it miiiight be acceptable, but since this
> > will affect vCPU tasks in the refresh() path as well, normal RCU is pretty much
> > a non-starter.
> 
> Yeah, the refresh() path got pretty slow in my first attempt, before
> optimising that *not* to have a grace period if the memslot generation
> changed but the actual GPA→uHVA (and memslot) don't *change*.
> 
> > Even SRCU could be problematic: if synchronize_srcu_expedited() is forced to wait,
> > the wait time can easily get to 20+ milliseconds, which again is a non-starter for
> > things like steal-time updates and nVMX pages.
> 
> But we don't have to synchronize from the read side. The code path
> which will do so most often is gfn_to_pfn_cache_invalidate_start(). And
> the refresh() path which is already the fallback slow path which can sleep.

It's probably a slow path for all current users, but it definitely won't be a slow
path for nested virtualization, because a refresh() will be required any time the
GPA changes, i.e. any time the vCPU runs a different vmc{b,c}12.  That's why I
think we should treat GPCs that are strictly bound to a vCPU differently.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-08-06 18:11 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-05 19:55 [PATCH v3 0/7] KVM: x86/xen: Fix Xen/GPC/PREEMPT_RT issues with rwlock_t Woodhouse, David
2026-08-05 19:55 ` [PATCH v3 1/7] KVM: pfncache: use a dedicated invalidation sequence for cache refresh Woodhouse, David
2026-08-05 19:55 ` [PATCH v3 2/7] mm/mmu_notifier: Remove non_block_start/end() from notifier invocation Woodhouse, David
2026-08-05 19:55 ` [PATCH v3 3/7] KVM: pfncache: Use RCU for readers instead of a rwlock Woodhouse, David
2026-08-05 20:36   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-06 16:53     ` Sean Christopherson
2026-08-06 17:58       ` Woodhouse, David
2026-08-06 18:11         ` Sean Christopherson [this message]
2026-08-06 18:23           ` Woodhouse, David
2026-08-07  8:56           ` Woodhouse, David
2026-08-07 10:48             ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 20:38         ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 21:52           ` Paul E. McKenney
2026-08-06 22:02             ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-05 19:55 ` [PATCH v3 4/7] KVM: x86/xen: Extract delivery of event to vCPU into a separate helper Woodhouse, David
2026-08-05 20:47   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-05 22:35     ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 10:00       ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-06 14:32         ` David Woodhouse
2026-08-05 19:56 ` [PATCH v3 5/7] KVM: x86/xen: Explicitly tag "shared info" page as never being dirty tracked Woodhouse, David
2026-08-05 19:56 ` [PATCH v3 6/7] KVM: x86/xen: Don't dirty track "vCPU info" page Woodhouse, David
2026-08-05 19:56 ` [PATCH v3 7/7] KVM: x86: Use gfn_to_pfn_cache for steal time / preempted status Woodhouse, David
2026-08-05 21:15   ` sashiko-bot

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