[LARTC] Everybody happy with the list + some new material

[LARTC] Everybody happy with the list + some new material

[bert hubert]

Hi all 803 list members!

This is your list maintainer & HOWTO author speaking. I've recently noted a
lot of people leaving the list (although a lot of people have also been
joining) - is anything wrong? I don't actually follow the list at all times,
please let me know of any problems.

Since posting has been restricted to members only, a lot of spam has been
blocked which is good. However, a lot of bonafide mail has also been blocked
because people aren't posting from the address they subscribed from. And I
know for a fact that I lost one modification request for somebody that
moved. If this is you, please resend.

In other news, I added a section on HTB,
http://ds9a.nl/2.4Routing/HOWTO//cvs/2.4routing/output/2.4routing-10.html#ss10.2
which you should read if you thing CBQ is complicated. And I added a link to
docum.org, which you should visit.

You should also visit http://www.linux-kongress.de - As you can see from the
program http://www.linux-kongress.de/program.html a lot of cool people will
be there. And I'll be there too, and even give a lecture.

Hope to meet you there!

Regards,

bert

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Re: [LARTC] Everybody happy with the list + some new material

[Jason Tackaberry]

Hi Bert,

On Sun, 2001-11-11 at 15:36, bert hubert wrote:
> In other news, I added a section on HTB,
> http://ds9a.nl/2.4Routing/HOWTO//cvs/2.4routing/output/2.4routing-10.html#ss10.2
> which you should read if you thing CBQ is complicated. And I added a link to
> docum.org, which you should visit.

According to the HTB patch, HTB stands for Hierarchical Token Bucket.

I guess the impression I get from what you wrote is that HTB is good in
simple cases, and CBQ is good in complex cases?  It might be worth
explaining a situation in which HTB is inadequate but CBQ would do the
job.  I'm not totally clear on that. :)

Cheers,
Jason.


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RE: [LARTC] Everybody happy with the list + some new material

[Greg Scott]

Hi Bert - 

And thanks for asking, I appreciate it.  I'll offer some feedback. I have
a problem with routing that is driving me crazy.  I am not able to make a 
Linux 2.4 kernel (Red Hat V7.1) route ICMP Echo REPLY packets back to the
original PINGer.  After studying the HOWTO and finding this list, I spent 
a bunch of time writing up the problem, drew up a really bad ASCII art 
picture and submitted the problem.  It turned out, the list wraps the text, 
so that totally messed up the ASCII part picture I drew.

But then nobody even replied telling me my ASCII art was bad.  In fact,
nobody even replied at all, other than the automated replies from the list
system.

And that goes to a core issue for me - I really want to use these nifty 
advanced routing capabilities with my customers, and I am willing to
experiment and learn, but I need to know there really is a community out 
there to help with issues before I trust this stuff.  

I know everyone who posts to this list is volunteering time and not getting
paid, and I really appreciate any help I can get on my issues.  And since I
asked for help, I also tried to help a couple other folks as best as I knew
how.  After all, fair is fair.  But if I can't get answers to my basic 
questions here, I need to find answers somewhere else.

thanks

- Greg Scott


-----Original Message-----
From: bert hubert [mailto:ahu@ds9a.nl]
Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 2:36 PM
To: lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl
Subject: [LARTC] Everybody happy with the list + some new material


Hi all 803 list members!

This is your list maintainer & HOWTO author speaking. I've recently noted a
lot of people leaving the list (although a lot of people have also been
joining) - is anything wrong? I don't actually follow the list at all times,
please let me know of any problems.

Since posting has been restricted to members only, a lot of spam has been
blocked which is good. However, a lot of bonafide mail has also been blocked
because people aren't posting from the address they subscribed from. And I
know for a fact that I lost one modification request for somebody that
moved. If this is you, please resend.

In other news, I added a section on HTB,
http://ds9a.nl/2.4Routing/HOWTO//cvs/2.4routing/output/2.4routing-10.html#ss
10.2
which you should read if you thing CBQ is complicated. And I added a link to
docum.org, which you should visit.

You should also visit http://www.linux-kongress.de - As you can see from the
program http://www.linux-kongress.de/program.html a lot of cool people will
be there. And I'll be there too, and even give a lecture.

Hope to meet you there!

Regards,

bert

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Trilab                                 The Technology People
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Re: [LARTC] Everybody happy with the list + some new material

[Anton V. Gnitko]

Yea... I would be interesting to know that too... Probably anyone do.

On Monday 12 November 2001 12:23, you wrote:
> Hi Bert -
>
> And thanks for asking, I appreciate it.  I'll offer some feedback. I have
> a problem with routing that is driving me crazy.  I am not able to make a
> Linux 2.4 kernel (Red Hat V7.1) route ICMP Echo REPLY packets back to the
> original PINGer.  After studying the HOWTO and finding this list, I spent
> a bunch of time writing up the problem, drew up a really bad ASCII art
> picture and submitted the problem.  It turned out, the list wraps the text,
> so that totally messed up the ASCII part picture I drew.
>
> But then nobody even replied telling me my ASCII art was bad.  In fact,
> nobody even replied at all, other than the automated replies from the list
> system.
>
> And that goes to a core issue for me - I really want to use these nifty
> advanced routing capabilities with my customers, and I am willing to
> experiment and learn, but I need to know there really is a community out
> there to help with issues before I trust this stuff.
>
> I know everyone who posts to this list is volunteering time and not getting
> paid, and I really appreciate any help I can get on my issues.  And since I
> asked for help, I also tried to help a couple other folks as best as I knew
> how.  After all, fair is fair.  But if I can't get answers to my basic
> questions here, I need to find answers somewhere else.
>
> thanks
>
> - Greg Scott
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bert hubert [mailto:ahu@ds9a.nl]
> Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 2:36 PM
> To: lartc@mailman.ds9a.nl
> Subject: [LARTC] Everybody happy with the list + some new material
>
>
> Hi all 803 list members!
>
> This is your list maintainer & HOWTO author speaking. I've recently noted a
> lot of people leaving the list (although a lot of people have also been
> joining) - is anything wrong? I don't actually follow the list at all
> times, please let me know of any problems.
>
> Since posting has been restricted to members only, a lot of spam has been
> blocked which is good. However, a lot of bonafide mail has also been
> blocked because people aren't posting from the address they subscribed
> from. And I know for a fact that I lost one modification request for
> somebody that moved. If this is you, please resend.
>
> In other news, I added a section on HTB,
> http://ds9a.nl/2.4Routing/HOWTO//cvs/2.4routing/output/2.4routing-10.html#s
>s 10.2
> which you should read if you thing CBQ is complicated. And I added a link
> to docum.org, which you should visit.
>
> You should also visit http://www.linux-kongress.de - As you can see from
> the program http://www.linux-kongress.de/program.html a lot of cool people
> will be there. And I'll be there too, and even give a lecture.
>
> Hope to meet you there!
>
> Regards,
>
> bert

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Sincerely,
Anton V. Gnitko
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Central Asian Development Agency, Inc. (CADA)
Dushanbe, Tajikistan
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Re: [LARTC] Everybody happy with the list + some new material

[Sebastian 'spax' Pape]

hi Bert,

I'm quite happy with this list - the only disturbing thing that is
annoying me, is the "quotation-style" here. There are lot's of
fullquotes even if most of them are unneccesarry, because the author
only says somthing like: "add me, too". It costs lot of time finding
the essential two or three sentences and it's lot of unneccesarry
traffic, too. If someone really likes to read all previous mails of
the regarding thread it is possible to look at the web-archive. I
would appreciate it, if people would use only relevant quotes.

best regards
		Sebastian

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Re: [LARTC] Everybody happy with the list + some new material

[bert hubert]

On Mon, Nov 12, 2001 at 07:36:13PM +0100, Sebastian 'spax' Pape wrote:
> hi Bert,
> 
> I'm quite happy with this list - the only disturbing thing that is
> annoying me, is the "quotation-style" here. There are lot's of
> fullquotes even if most of them are unneccesarry, because the author
> only says somthing like: "add me, too". It costs lot of time finding

Ok, after reading some of the responses to my original question, I've added
this to the 'new subscriber' message:

 Hi!

 This list is about asking questions and answering them. Please keep that in
 mind - in true community style, please try to participate!
 
 Also, if at all possible, try to trim the amount of text you quote when
 replying - just leaving the entire message there does not enhance clarity
 and it also wastes space and bandwidth!


Perhaps this can address your issues. Thanks for responding!

Regards,

bert

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