* Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51
@ 2005-03-26 20:34 Andrew Barr
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From: Andrew Barr @ 2005-03-26 20:34 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f
I cannot suspend my ThinkPad R51 to RAM. It seems to freeze at least partially
either on resume or shortly before suspend (based on the blinking cursor, or
lack thereof). The display powers up okay, and the contents of the console
before suspend ("stopping tasks") is displayed, but the keyboard and mouse
are unresponsive. I can, however, log in via ssh (indicating the machine is
not completely frozen and the ethernet card works), and I retrieved this from
the system logs:
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm Stopping tasks:
=========================================================================================|
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm Back to C!
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm cpufreq: resume failed to assert current frequency is what
timing core thinks it is.
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm hub 3-0:1.0: resubmit --> -108
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm hub 1-0:1.0: resubmit --> -108
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm hub 2-0:1.0: resubmit --> -108
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.0 to 64
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.1 to 64
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1d.2 to 64
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm PCI: cache line size of 32 is not supported by device
0000:00:1d.7
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm ehci_hcd 0000:00:1d.7: USB 2.0 restarted, EHCI 1.00,
driver 10 Dec 2004
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.1[A] -> GSI 11 (level, low)
-> IRQ 11
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.5[B] -> GSI 11 (level, low)
-> IRQ 11
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.5 to 64
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm ACPI: PCI interrupt 0000:00:1f.6[B] -> GSI 11 (level, low)
-> IRQ 11
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm PCI: Setting latency timer of device 0000:00:1f.6 to 64
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm e100: eth0: e100_watchdog: link up, 100Mbps, full-duplex
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost sync at
byte 1
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm Restarting tasks...<6>usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 3
Mar 26 15:04:15 ibm done
Mar 26 15:04:16 ibm hal.hotplug[18047]: DEVPATH is not set
Mar 26 15:04:16 ibm hal.hotplug[18074]: DEVPATH is not set
Mar 26 15:04:36 ibm sshd[18164]: Accepted keyboard-interactive/pam for root
from 192.168.0.105 port 1994 ssh2
Nothing that stands out, at least to me. I have tried disabling the APIC both
at compile time and run time on the command line. I have also tried disabling
agpgart, I read somewhere that that might be a problem. Note, though, that
this notebook has a Intel 82855GM graphics controller, not the Radeon chip
that has caused others so much grief. Nothing changes the behavior of the
system. I run a custom patched kernel, it has:
- based on kernel.org 2.6.11.6
- Suspend2 2.1.8.2 (which works fine)
- bk-cpufreq.patch from an -mm kernel for Dothan SpeedStep support (don't
remember which; also tried disabling CPUFreq support)
- TrackPoint psmouse patch
- IBM-ACPI extras 0.11
- ipw2200 1.0.1
- ThinkPad modules from tpctl 5.8
- FUSE 2.2.1
I tried a "stock" distro kernel from my distributor, Gentoo. It was
2.6.11-gentoo-r4. The thing that stands out among all these changes is no
matter what kernel or what configuration I've used, so far, it has made *no*
difference in the behavior of the machine on resume. The BIOS and Embedded
Controller programs are the latest available from IBM, 1.21 and 1.04,
respectively.
Now, some formalities:
Output of lspci:
0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV
Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
0000:00:00.1 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV
Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
0000:00:00.3 System peripheral: Intel Corporation 82852/82855 GM/GME/PM/GMV
Processor to I/O Controller (rev 02)
0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM
Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
0000:00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated
Graphics Device (rev 02)
0000:00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 01)
0000:00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 01)
0000:00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 01)
0000:00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2
EHCI Controller (rev 01)
0000:00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 Mobile PCI Bridge (rev 81)
0000:00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) LPC Interface
Bridge (rev 01)
0000:00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DBM (ICH4-M) IDE Controller
(rev 01)
0000:00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M)
SMBus Controller (rev 01)
0000:00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM
(ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01)
0000:00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M)
AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 01)
0000:02:00.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1510 PC card Cardbus
Controller
0000:02:02.0 Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 2200BG (rev
05)
0000:02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (MOB)
Ethernet Controller (rev 81)
disassembled DSDT straight from the BIOS (no patches) is available at:
http://home.columbus.rr.com/andrewbarr/r51_2883elu.dsl.gz
Thanks for any help,
Andrew Barr
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* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <200503261534.44710.barr.156-ZbGKxL/pcrQ@public.gmane.org> @ 2005-03-28 20:37 ` Pavel Machek [not found] ` <20050328203751.GB3695-u08AdweFZfgxtPtxi4kahqVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org> 2005-03-28 20:39 ` Pavel Machek 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Pavel Machek @ 2005-03-28 20:37 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Barr; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Hi! > I cannot suspend my ThinkPad R51 to RAM. It seems to freeze at least partially > either on resume or shortly before suspend (based on the blinking cursor, or > lack thereof). The display powers up okay, and the contents of the console > before suspend ("stopping tasks") is displayed, but the keyboard and mouse > are unresponsive. I can, however, log in via ssh (indicating the machine is > not completely frozen and the ethernet card works), and I retrieved this from > the system logs: Try rmmod input (and related) modules before suspend and insmoding them after resume... Pavel -- 64 bytes from 195.113.31.123: icmp_seq=28 ttl=51 time=448769.1 ms ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <20050328203751.GB3695-u08AdweFZfgxtPtxi4kahqVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org> @ 2005-03-29 2:14 ` Andrew Barr [not found] ` <200503282114.15289.barr.156-ZbGKxL/pcrQ@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Andrew Barr @ 2005-03-29 2:14 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pavel Machek; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f [-- Attachment #1: Type: text/plain, Size: 443 bytes --] On Monday 28 March 2005 03:37 pm, Pavel Machek wrote: > Try rmmod input (and related) modules before suspend and insmoding > them after resume... I tried removing psmouse, usbhid, and evdev. It still freezes on resume, although I can now say it freezes shortly after resume--the caps lock key reacts for a brief second on resume. My kernel config file is attached--anything else I should be modularizing and removing? Andrew > Pavel [-- Attachment #2: config.gz --] [-- Type: application/x-gzip, Size: 9510 bytes --] ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <200503282114.15289.barr.156-ZbGKxL/pcrQ@public.gmane.org> @ 2005-03-29 8:38 ` Pavel Machek [not found] ` <20050329083823.GA3897-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Pavel Machek @ 2005-03-29 8:38 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Barr; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Po 28-03-05 21:14:15, Andrew Barr wrote: > On Monday 28 March 2005 03:37 pm, Pavel Machek wrote: > > Try rmmod input (and related) modules before suspend and insmoding > > them after resume... > > I tried removing psmouse, usbhid, and evdev. It still freezes on resume, > although I can now say it freezes shortly after resume--the caps lock key > reacts for a brief second on resume. My kernel config file is > attached--anything else I should be modularizing and removing? I'd like CONFIG_SERIO=y CONFIG_SERIO_I8042=y ...to be done in modules. You'll probably need to modularize whole input to achieve that. Pavel -- People were complaining that M$ turns users into beta-testers... ...jr ghea gurz vagb qrirybcref, naq gurl frrz gb yvxr vg gung jnl! ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <20050329083823.GA3897-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org> @ 2005-03-30 16:36 ` Andrew Barr [not found] ` <200503301136.59046.barr.156-ZbGKxL/pcrQ@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Andrew Barr @ 2005-03-30 16:36 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pavel Machek; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Sorry for not getting back to you sooner, but classes started Tuesday and I've had less time to hack at this problem than before... On Tuesday 29 March 2005 03:38 am, Pavel Machek wrote: > I'd like > > CONFIG_SERIO=y > CONFIG_SERIO_I8042=y > > ...to be done in modules. You'll probably need to modularize whole > input to achieve that. I tried this. I'm now removing the modules usbhid, psmouse, libps2, serio, i8042, and atkbd before suspend. It doesn't change anything, but I have a couple of questions/observations that could possibly point us in the right direction: - Is there a possibility that some userspace program is locking up the video, keyboard, and mouse? I tried stopping all the services that I could (including X11) and although the video froze (display powered up, frozen cursor as before), the keyboard was responsive to a capslock press. I haven't had time to isolate the particular service that was causing that behavior. - I tried compiling my kernel without framebuffer (vesafb-tng) or splash (Gentoo's fbsplash) support, and the behavior is the same as before except the cursor blinks. Are framebuffer drivers an issue for suspend-to-RAM? Perhaps trying the intelfb driver would give better results? I should also point out that I've tried removing all modules that I could and suspending. This hasn't helped either. I'm going to try installing Fedora Core on this laptop and see if some particular configuration element of my Gentoo installation is causing lockups. Thanks for all your help. Andrew > Pavel ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <200503301136.59046.barr.156-ZbGKxL/pcrQ@public.gmane.org> @ 2005-03-30 20:24 ` Pavel Machek [not found] ` <20050330202416.GA1347-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Pavel Machek @ 2005-03-30 20:24 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Barr; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Hi! > had less time to hack at this problem than before... > > On Tuesday 29 March 2005 03:38 am, Pavel Machek wrote: > > I'd like > > > > CONFIG_SERIO=y > > CONFIG_SERIO_I8042=y > > > > ...to be done in modules. You'll probably need to modularize whole > > input to achieve that. > > I tried this. I'm now removing the modules usbhid, psmouse, libps2, serio, > i8042, and atkbd before suspend. It doesn't change anything, but I have a > couple of questions/observations that could possibly point us in the right > direction: > > - Is there a possibility that some userspace program is locking up the video, > keyboard, and mouse? I tried stopping all the services that I could > (including X11) and although the video froze (display powered up, frozen > cursor as before), the keyboard was responsive to a capslock press. I haven't > had time to isolate the particular service that was causing that > behavior. Well, non-working video is common problem after suspend-to-ram, see Documentation/power/video.txt. Try init=/bin/bash to keep most of userspace out of picture... Pavel -- People were complaining that M$ turns users into beta-testers... ...jr ghea gurz vagb qrirybcref, naq gurl frrz gb yvxr vg gung jnl! ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by Demarc: A global provider of Threat Management Solutions. Download our HomeAdmin security software for free today! http://www.demarc.com/Info/Sentarus/hamr30 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <20050330202416.GA1347-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org> @ 2005-03-31 15:44 ` Andrew Barr [not found] ` <200503311044.35221.barr.156-ZbGKxL/pcrQ@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Andrew Barr @ 2005-03-31 15:44 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pavel Machek; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Wednesday 30 March 2005 03:24 pm, Pavel Machek wrote: > Well, non-working video is common problem after suspend-to-ram, see > Documentation/power/video.txt. I have confirmed that input is not a problem. I can sleep and resume and then ssh into my laptop and do a 'cat /dev/input/mice'. Moving my finger on the touchpad generates output. Same for typing on the keyboard and doing a 'cat /dev/input/event0'. Now the question is: if my display wakes up--i.e. the backlight comes on and the contents on the screen right before suspend are displayed--do I have a video problem that I should be pursuing as such? Many of the ACPI video sleeping bugs on bugme.osdl.org have a completely dead display--i.e. no backlight. Andrew ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by Demarc: A global provider of Threat Management Solutions. Download our HomeAdmin security software for free today! http://www.demarc.com/Info/Sentarus/hamr30 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <200503311044.35221.barr.156-ZbGKxL/pcrQ@public.gmane.org> @ 2005-03-31 22:18 ` Pavel Machek [not found] ` <20050331221856.GD1802-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org> 0 siblings, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Pavel Machek @ 2005-03-31 22:18 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Barr; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Hi! > Now the question is: if my display wakes up--i.e. the backlight comes on and > the contents on the screen right before suspend are displayed--do I have a > video problem that I should be pursuing as such? Many of the ACPI video > sleeping bugs on bugme.osdl.org have a completely dead display--i.e. no > backlight. So you have frozen display, instead. That's likely same problem. Try suggestions in Doc*/power/video.txt. Pavel -- People were complaining that M$ turns users into beta-testers... ...jr ghea gurz vagb qrirybcref, naq gurl frrz gb yvxr vg gung jnl! ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.net email is sponsored by Demarc: A global provider of Threat Management Solutions. Download our HomeAdmin security software for free today! http://www.demarc.com/Info/Sentarus/hamr30 ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <20050331221856.GD1802-I/5MKhXcvmPrBKCeMvbIDA@public.gmane.org> @ 2005-04-01 22:15 ` Stefan Seyfried 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Stefan Seyfried @ 2005-04-01 22:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Fri, Apr 01, 2005 at 12:18:56AM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote: > So you have frozen display, instead. That's likely same problem. Try > suggestions in Doc*/power/video.txt. I was often successful with "vbetool post; vbetool vbestate restore" on intel chipsets, so this is definitely worth a try IMO. -- Stefan Seyfried ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <200503261534.44710.barr.156-ZbGKxL/pcrQ@public.gmane.org> 2005-03-28 20:37 ` Pavel Machek @ 2005-03-28 20:39 ` Pavel Machek [not found] ` <20050328203902.GC3695-u08AdweFZfgxtPtxi4kahqVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org> 1 sibling, 1 reply; 11+ messages in thread From: Pavel Machek @ 2005-03-28 20:39 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Andrew Barr; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f Hi! > I cannot suspend my ThinkPad R51 to RAM. It seems to freeze at least partially > either on resume or shortly before suspend (based on the blinking cursor, or > lack thereof). The display powers up okay, and the contents of the console Did you have to do any tricks? entry for Doc*/power/video.txt would be nice. -- 64 bytes from 195.113.31.123: icmp_seq=28 ttl=51 time=448769.1 ms ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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* Re: Suspend-to-RAM on ThinkPad R51 [not found] ` <20050328203902.GC3695-u08AdweFZfgxtPtxi4kahqVXKuFTiq87@public.gmane.org> @ 2005-03-29 2:15 ` Andrew Barr 0 siblings, 0 replies; 11+ messages in thread From: Andrew Barr @ 2005-03-29 2:15 UTC (permalink / raw) To: Pavel Machek; +Cc: acpi-devel-5NWGOfrQmneRv+LV9MX5uipxlwaOVQ5f On Monday 28 March 2005 03:39 pm, Pavel Machek wrote: > Did you have to do any tricks? entry for Doc*/power/video.txt would be > nice. No...no acpi_sleep= parameters are necessary to get the video to wake up. It was the same on my old laptop, a Dell Inspiron 300m, which also had an i855. Andrew ------------------------------------------------------- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest & candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595&alloc_id=14396&op=click ^ permalink raw reply [flat|nested] 11+ messages in thread
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