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From: Li Chen <me@linux.beauty>
To: "Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>
Cc: "Kees Cook" <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"linux-fsdevel" <linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-api" <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
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	"linux-mm" <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	"linux-arch" <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-doc" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	"linux-kselftest" <linux-kselftest@vger.kernel.org>,
	"x86" <x86@kernel.org>, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/13] exec: add spawn templates for repeated executable startup
Date: Mon, 01 Jun 2026 10:47:00 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19e8113d290.893abab26142069.5024234139508454104@linux.beauty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260528-madig-fachrichtung-fehlinformation-61117ba640da@brauner>

Hi Christian,

Thanks a lot for your great review!

 ---- On Thu, 28 May 2026 19:02:53 +0800  Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org> wrote --- 
 > On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 05:52:21PM +0800, Li Chen wrote:
 > > Hi,
 > > 
 > > This is an early RFC for an idea that is probably still rough in both the
 > > UAPI and implementation details. Sorry for the rough edges; I am sending
 > > it now to check whether this direction is worth pursuing and to get
 > > feedback on the kernel/userspace boundary.
 > 
 > The idea of having a builder api for exec isn't all that crazy. But it
 > should simply be built on top of pidfds and thus pidfs itself instead.
 > It has all the basic infrastructure in place already.

Yes, that makes a lot more sense. I was staring too hard at the "hot
executable" part and made the cache/template the API, which was probably
the wrong thing to expose. Sorry about that.

 > Any implementation
 > should also allow userspace to implement posix_spawn() on top of it.

That's so cool, and this is a really useful point. I had not thought about this as
something that could sit under posix_spawn(), but that makes the target
much clearer. It should be a generic exec/spawn builder first, and the
agent use case should just be one user of it.

 > fd = pidfd_open(0, PIDFD_EMPTY /* or better name */)
 > 
 > pidfd_config(fd, ...) // modeled similar to fsconfig()

Reusing pidfd_open() with an empty target is nice because it keeps the API close
to pidfds, but I wonder if a separate entry point such as
pidfd_spawn_open() or pidfd_create() would make the "new process
builder" case a bit more explicit? Either way, the configuration side
being fsconfig-like makes sense to me.

Thanks again for pointing me in this direction. It helps a lot.

Regards,
Li​


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-01  2:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-28  9:52 [RFC PATCH v1 00/13] exec: add spawn templates for repeated executable startup Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/13] exec: factor argument setup out of do_execveat_common() Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/13] exec: add an internal helper for opened executables Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/13] file: expose helpers for in-kernel fd actions Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/13] exec: add spawn template UAPI definitions Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/13] exec: add spawn template file descriptors Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/13] exec: add spawn_template_spawn() Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/13] exec: validate spawn template executable identity Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/13] binfmt_elf: cache ELF metadata for spawn templates Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/13] Documentation: describe " Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/13] exec: require absolute paths for path-created templates Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/13] exec: let close-range actions target the max fd Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/13] syscalls: add generic spawn template entries Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/13] selftests/exec: cover spawn template basics Li Chen
2026-05-28 11:02 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/13] exec: add spawn templates for repeated executable startup Christian Brauner
2026-06-01  2:47   ` Li Chen [this message]
2026-06-08 23:06     ` John Ericson
2026-06-01 19:55   ` Kees Cook
2026-06-09  0:01   ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-09 14:43     ` Li Chen
2026-06-09 17:27       ` John Ericson
2026-06-10 12:29         ` Li Chen
2026-06-10 20:38           ` John Ericson
2026-06-10 23:40           ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-06-11 18:53             ` John Ericson
2026-06-10  7:28     ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-28 12:55 ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-06-01 15:11   ` Li Chen
2026-06-08 15:02   ` Jann Horn
2026-06-09  6:08     ` Florian Weimer
2026-06-09 17:53       ` Jann Horn
2026-06-10 22:59     ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-05-28 18:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-02 12:07   ` Li Chen
2026-06-05 14:24 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2026-06-07 13:22   ` Li Chen

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