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From: Li Chen <me@linux.beauty>
To: "Andy Lutomirski" <luto@kernel.org>
Cc: "Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Kees Cook" <kees@kernel.org>,
	"Alexander Viro" <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
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	"x86" <x86@kernel.org>, "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>,
	"Thomas Gleixner" <tglx@kernel.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"Borislav Petkov" <bp@alien8.de>,
	"Dave Hansen" <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>, "Jan Kara" <jack@suse.cz>,
	"Jonathan Corbet" <corbet@lwn.net>,
	"Shuah Khan" <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 00/13] exec: add spawn templates for repeated executable startup
Date: Tue, 02 Jun 2026 20:07:20 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <19e883b2f84.6134d346323880.1325813164715871999@linux.beauty> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CALCETrXqWcqn_79sMKnkyKOSAjg4AmcSHsuyH83oW8zJFoV6Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Andy,

 ---- On Fri, 29 May 2026 02:27:00 +0800  Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org> wrote --- 
 > On Thu, May 28, 2026 at 2:55 AM Li Chen <me@linux.beauty> wrote:
 > >
 > 
 > >
 > > The template pins the executable and denies writes to that file while the
 > > template fd is alive,
 > 
 > Please don't.  *Maybe* detect when it gets modified and clear your cache.
 > 
 > Or develop a generic way to open a new fd that's an immutable view
 > into an existing file such that the fd retains its contents even if
 > the file changes.  (Think a reflink that's not persistent and has no
 > name -- you'll need some way to avoid resource exhaustion.)

 I agree that deny-write is not a good long-term invalidation model. I had
 considered clear-cache-on-modify, but kept this RFC smaller.

 > >
 > > Workload     Calls  subprocess  spawn_template  time_s       Delta
 > > (workers)    calls  calls/s     calls/s         seconds
 > > 1x16         6144      411.04          420.32   14.95/14.62  +2.26%
 > > 2x8          6144      666.78          690.08    9.21/8.90   +3.49%
 > > 4x4          6144      955.61         1003.25    6.43/6.12   +4.99%
 > > 8x2          6144     1048.25         1069.18    5.86/5.75   +2.00%
 > 
 > This is a lot of complexity in the kernel for a teeny tiny gain.
 > 
 > I'm with Christian -- a better spawn API would be great (and much
 > faster than fork/vfork + exec), but that's a different patch.
 
 Thanks, I agree. A pidfd/pidfs spawn builder looks like the much better API shape.

 The cover letter numbers were from a mixed agent-tool workload. For very short
 single-tool runs I saw larger wins, about +14% for printf-style work.
 I should have called that out separately.

 I will work toward a pidfd_config-style builder next.

Regards,

Li​


  reply	other threads:[~2026-06-02 12:07 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 36+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-28  9:52 [RFC PATCH v1 00/13] exec: add spawn templates for repeated executable startup Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 01/13] exec: factor argument setup out of do_execveat_common() Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 02/13] exec: add an internal helper for opened executables Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 03/13] file: expose helpers for in-kernel fd actions Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 04/13] exec: add spawn template UAPI definitions Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 05/13] exec: add spawn template file descriptors Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 06/13] exec: add spawn_template_spawn() Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 07/13] exec: validate spawn template executable identity Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 08/13] binfmt_elf: cache ELF metadata for spawn templates Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 09/13] Documentation: describe " Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 10/13] exec: require absolute paths for path-created templates Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 11/13] exec: let close-range actions target the max fd Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 12/13] syscalls: add generic spawn template entries Li Chen
2026-05-28  9:52 ` [RFC PATCH v1 13/13] selftests/exec: cover spawn template basics Li Chen
2026-05-28 11:02 ` [RFC PATCH v1 00/13] exec: add spawn templates for repeated executable startup Christian Brauner
2026-06-01  2:47   ` Li Chen
2026-06-08 23:06     ` John Ericson
2026-06-01 19:55   ` Kees Cook
2026-06-09  0:01   ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-09 14:43     ` Li Chen
2026-06-09 17:27       ` John Ericson
2026-06-10 12:29         ` Li Chen
2026-06-10 20:38           ` John Ericson
2026-06-10 23:40           ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-06-11 18:53             ` John Ericson
2026-06-10  7:28     ` Christian Brauner
2026-05-28 12:55 ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-06-01 15:11   ` Li Chen
2026-06-08 15:02   ` Jann Horn
2026-06-09  6:08     ` Florian Weimer
2026-06-09 17:53       ` Jann Horn
2026-06-10 22:59     ` Mateusz Guzik
2026-05-28 18:27 ` Andy Lutomirski
2026-06-02 12:07   ` Li Chen [this message]
2026-06-05 14:24 ` Gabriel Krisman Bertazi
2026-06-07 13:22   ` Li Chen

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