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From: Nikolay Borisov <nik.borisov@suse.com>
To: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>, linux-coco@lists.linux.dev
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Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2026 09:37:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <2a2a5d93-1c10-4533-8709-437ceb6a3f94@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261015145053.3664509-1-jiri@resnulli.us>



On 15.10.26 г. 17:50 ч., Jiri Pirko wrote:
> From: Jiri Pirko <jiri@nvidia.com>
> 
> Linux has several attestation interfaces tied to individual technologies.
> That makes evidence retrieval, measurement registers, device state and
> kernel consumers provider-specific.
> 
> This series introduces a common attestation subsystem. Its goal is to
> support platform, TEE and device providers through one model, including
> TPM2, TDX, SEV-SNP, Arm CCA, FIRME, Caliptra and PCI/TSM-backed devices.
> This first series implements the common subsystem and a TDX provider.
> Existing native TDX tsm_mr and tsm_report interfaces remain independent.

Wasn't config-tsm supposed to be this common attestation subsystem? Was 
this discussed when the initial config-tsm was proposed? Why is this 
coming now?

> 
> Attestation devices use CTLV, a schema-driven character-device TLV UAPI.
> Compared with sysfs or configfs, CTLV executes one validated request
> atomically instead of assembling a transaction through several files.
> Compared with netlink, an opened device fd directly identifies authority
> and lifetime, can be delegated normally, and owns its event queue. CTLV
> also provides:

Assuming we want to go through the route of CTLV, do we really want an 
attestation-specific  interface, or most of this functionality can 
simply be implemented as a specific genetlink protocol, utilising all 
the existing hardening that has gone into netlink's infrastructure to 
marshal messages from userspace to kernel space?

> 
>    - generated kernel metadata, UAPI constants and documentation;
>    - strict type, bounds, nesting and required-field validation;
>    - runtime operation and schema introspection;
>    - family inheritance and extension points;
>    - fragmented queries with generation checks;
>    - per-fd event subscription, overflow reporting and removal notification;
>    - large input and output blobs.
> 
> The attestation family exposes capabilities, evidence, measurement-register
> topology and operations, an append-only MR journal and journal
> notifications. This first ABI contains the paths exercised by TDX. Extended
> evidence classes, dynamic registers, record payloads, verdict recording and
> device-security transitions follow with providers that need them and are out
> of scope of this initial patchset. The broader direction is illustrated here:
> 
> https://github.com/jpirko/linux_mlxsw/commits/wip_attestation_all_1
> 
> That branch also contains additional providers (test and sim),
> attestation core extensions, libctlv and ctlvctl. With the tools
> and kernel specifications, an attestation device can be used as follows:
> 
>    # Discover CTLV devices and their family chains.
>    ctlvctl --spec-dir Documentation/ctlv/specs list
> 
>    # Inspect the root-family lineage and attestation capabilities.
>    ctlvctl --spec-dir Documentation/ctlv/specs query ctlv0 families-dump
>    ctlvctl --spec-dir Documentation/ctlv/specs query ctlv0 device-get
> 
>    # List the measurement registers of the attestation device.
>    ctlvctl --spec-dir Documentation/ctlv/specs query ctlv0 mr-dump
> 
>    # Read RTMR0 (MR 1).
>    ctlvctl --spec-dir Documentation/ctlv/specs \
>            query ctlv0 mr-read mr.id=1
> 
>    # Extend RTMR0 with 48 zero bytes (SHA-384).
>    digest=$(printf '%096d' 0)
>    ctlvctl --spec-dir Documentation/ctlv/specs \
>            exec ctlv0 mr-extend --json \
>            '{"id":1,"value":[{"hash-algo":5,"data":"hex:'"$digest"'"}]}'
> 
>    # Retrieve the RTMR0 journal.
>    ctlvctl --spec-dir Documentation/ctlv/specs \
>            query ctlv0 mr-log-get --json '{"selection":[{"id":1}]}'
> 
> The 20 patches are organized as follows:
> 
>    1-13    add CTLV, its generator and documentation
>    14-17   add the base attestation family and implementation
>    18-20   expose the native TDX service and add the TDX family
> 
> Note to reviewers: Please focus on the overall design, UAPI and internal
> attestation-provider API. The internal CTLV and attestation implementations
> remain rough around the edges.
> 

<snip>

>   83 files changed, 18084 insertions(+), 28 deletions(-)

That's an awful lot of code to just move certain binary blobs around 
(Judging by what config-tsm is doing ATM).

<snip>

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-10-29  7:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 157+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-15 14:50 [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 01/20] ctlv: Add the schema language and generator Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 22:31   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27  8:34     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 02/20] ctlv: Add the UAPI wire format and family API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:26     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:00   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-20 23:39     ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 13:54     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 18:55   ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-27  8:02     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 14:15       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 14:48         ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-27 15:17           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 15:55             ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 03/20] ctlv: Add the root family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:28     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 12:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:07         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 23:30   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-21 16:25     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 04/20] Documentation: ctlv: Add userspace ABI Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 14:06     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:11   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  9:01     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 19:23       ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 05/20] ctlv: Prepare message input handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  0:43   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  8:27     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:39     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:55       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 10:17     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 06/20] ctlv: Prepare blob descriptor validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 07/20] ctlv: Prepare schema validation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 08/20] ctlv: Prepare message output handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 09/20] ctlv: Prepare VA blob handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 10/20] ctlv: Prepare event queue support Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:12   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  9:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 14:45     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-27 12:38   ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 11/20] ctlv: Prepare runtime introspection Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 14:52     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 16:12       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 10:21     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 12/20] ctlv: Add device and operation dispatch Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21  1:25   ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-22  9:05     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 18:43     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 12:58       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 14:26         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-26 13:48           ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 13:38     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 13/20] Documentation: ctlv: Describe how to write a family Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:23     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:49       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 16:24         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 16:48           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22  8:22             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 19:21               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 13:01                 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 14/20] attestation: Add the base family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 15/20] attestation: Prepare provider and instance core Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 23:29   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 13:04     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 16/20] attestation: Prepare measurement register journal Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 17/20] attestation: Add CTLV operation handling Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 18/20] tdx-guest: Expose the native attestation service API Jiri Pirko
2026-10-26 14:07   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 10:03     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 19/20] attestation: Add the TDX family specification and generated files Jiri Pirko
2026-10-15 14:50 ` [PATCH RFC 20/20] attestation: Add the TDX family implementation Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 22:07   ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23 14:12     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 19:40       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-23 22:00         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 18:15     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 19:41       ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-10-16 23:43 ` [PATCH RFC 00/20] attestation: Add a common subsystem and TDX support Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 18:16   ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-17 19:06     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:08       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 19:22         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 21:14         ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 20:34     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-17 20:55       ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-17 23:10         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-18 23:53           ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 12:08             ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-19 16:10               ` Dionna Glaze
2026-10-19 22:56                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21  8:33                   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-21 14:12                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:35                       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 19:05                         ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 10:54                           ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 11:24                             ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 18:51                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:19                                 ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-22 19:23                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:40                                     ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-22 19:40                                     ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 12:26                         ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 13:11                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 14:07                             ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 19:19                               ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:37                                 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-22 19:45                                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 19:52                                     ` James Bottomley
2026-10-22 20:43                                       ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20  9:26                 ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-20 13:45                 ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 14:06                   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 15:22                     ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-20 16:11                       ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-20 16:52                         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:23                           ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 13:18                             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-21 13:50                               ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-10-21 13:51                             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 14:31                               ` Mimi Zohar
2026-10-21 14:39                                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-21 12:48                         ` James Bottomley
2026-10-21 13:55                           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-19 12:40             ` Jarkko Sakkinen
2026-10-19 23:11             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-20 12:49       ` James Bottomley
2026-10-20 13:13         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-22 10:30 ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-22 15:38   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-22 16:42     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23  8:04     ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-23 11:32       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-23 14:20       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 15:28         ` Aneesh Kumar K.V
2026-10-23 15:42           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-23 19:13             ` Jonathan Cameron
2026-10-27 18:43 ` Dave Jiang
2026-10-27 19:36   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-27 23:09     ` Dave Jiang
2026-10-27 23:46       ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-10-28 19:16         ` Dave Jiang
2026-10-29  9:32         ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-29  9:30       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-10-29  7:37 ` Nikolay Borisov [this message]

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