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From: "Arnd Bergmann" <arnd@arndb.de>
To: "Icenowy Zheng" <uwu@icenowy.me>,
	"Xi Ruoyao" <xry111@xry111.site>,
	"Huacai Chen" <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
	"WANG Xuerui" <kernel@xen0n.name>
Cc: linux-api@vger.kernel.org,
	"Christian Brauner" <brauner@kernel.org>,
	"Kees Cook" <keescook@chromium.org>,
	"Xuefeng Li" <lixuefeng@loongson.cn>,
	"Jianmin Lv" <lvjianmin@loongson.cn>,
	"Xiaotian Wu" <wuxiaotian@loongson.cn>,
	"WANG Rui" <wangrui@loongson.cn>,
	"Miao Wang" <shankerwangmiao@gmail.com>,
	"loongarch@lists.linux.dev" <loongarch@lists.linux.dev>,
	Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Linux Kernel Mailing List" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Chromium sandbox on LoongArch and statx -- seccomp deep argument inspection again?
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 07:56:38 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <3c396b7c-adec-4762-9584-5824f310bf7b@app.fastmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <61c5b883762ba4f7fc5a89f539dcd6c8b13d8622.camel@icenowy.me>

On Mon, Feb 26, 2024, at 07:03, Icenowy Zheng wrote:
> 在 2024-02-25星期日的 15:32 +0800,Xi Ruoyao写道:
>> On Sun, 2024-02-25 at 14:51 +0800, Icenowy Zheng wrote:
>> > My idea is this problem needs syscalls to be designed with deep
>> > argument inspection in mind; syscalls before this should be
>> > considered
>> > as historical error and get fixed by resotring old syscalls.
>> 
>> I'd not consider fstat an error as using statx for fstat has a
>> performance impact (severe for some workflows), and Linus has
>> concluded
>
> Sorry for clearance, I mean statx is an error in ABI design, not fstat.

The same has been said about seccomp(). ;-)

It's clear that the two don't go well together at the moment.

>> "if the user wants fstat, give them fstat" for the performance issue:
>> 
>> https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/2023-September/151365.html
>> 
>> However we only want fstat (actually "newfstat" in fs/stat.c), and it
>> seems we don't want to resurrect newstat, newlstat, newfstatat, etc.
>> (or
>> am I missing any benefit - performance or "just pleasing seccomp" -
>> of them comparing to statx?) so we don't want to just define
>> __ARCH_WANT_NEW_STAT.  So it seems we need to add some new #if to
>> fs/stat.c and include/uapi/asm-generic/unistd.h.
>> 
>> And no, it's not a design issue of all other syscalls.  It's just the
>> design issue of seccomp.  There's no way to design a syscall allowing
>> seccomp to inspect a 100-character path in its argument unless
>> refactoring seccomp entirely because we cannot fit a 100-character
>> path
>> into 8 registers.
>
> Well my meaning is that syscalls should be designed to be simple to
> prevent this kind of circumstance.

The problem I see with the 'use use fstat' approach is that this
does not work on 32-bit architectures, unless we define a new
fstatat64_time64() syscall, which is one of the things that statx()
was trying to avoid.

Whichever solution we end up with should work on both
loongarch64 and on armv7 at least.

    Arnd

  reply	other threads:[~2024-02-26  6:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2024-02-21  6:09 Chromium sandbox on LoongArch and statx -- seccomp deep argument inspection again? WANG Xuerui
2024-02-21  6:31 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-21 10:31   ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-21 10:49     ` WANG Xuerui
2024-02-21 12:03       ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-24 11:51 ` Huacai Chen
2024-02-25  6:51   ` Icenowy Zheng
2024-02-25  7:32     ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-26  6:03       ` Icenowy Zheng
2024-02-26  6:56         ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2024-02-26  7:09           ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-26  9:20             ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-02-26 11:57               ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-26 12:57                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 14:33                   ` Rich Felker
2024-02-26 13:32               ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 13:46                 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-02-26 15:40                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 16:49                     ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-26 13:46                 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 14:00                 ` WANG Xuerui
2024-02-26 15:35                   ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 17:38                     ` WANG Xuerui
2024-02-26  8:26         ` Christian Brauner

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