From: Xi Ruoyao <xry111@xry111.site>
To: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>, Icenowy Zheng <uwu@icenowy.me>,
Huacai Chen <chenhuacai@kernel.org>,
WANG Xuerui <kernel@xen0n.name>,
Adhemerval Zanella <adhemerval.zanella@linaro.org>,
Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
Cc: linux-api@vger.kernel.org, Christian Brauner <brauner@kernel.org>,
Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
Xuefeng Li <lixuefeng@loongson.cn>,
Jianmin Lv <lvjianmin@loongson.cn>,
Xiaotian Wu <wuxiaotian@loongson.cn>,
WANG Rui <wangrui@loongson.cn>,
Miao Wang <shankerwangmiao@gmail.com>,
"loongarch@lists.linux.dev" <loongarch@lists.linux.dev>,
Linux-Arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Chromium sandbox on LoongArch and statx -- seccomp deep argument inspection again?
Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2024 19:57:56 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <6bf460d17b9f44326497ffb41e03363b112d6927.camel@xry111.site> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <b9fb0de1-bfb9-47a6-9730-325e7641c182@app.fastmail.com>
On Mon, 2024-02-26 at 10:20 +0100, Arnd Bergmann wrote:
/* snip */
>
> > Or maybe we can just introduce a new AT_something to make statx
> > completely ignore pathname but behave like AT_EMPTY_PATH + "".
>
> I think this is better than going back to fstat64_time64(), but
> it's still not great because
>
> - all the reserved flags on statx() are by definition incompatible
> with existing kernels that return -EINVAL for any flag they do
> not recognize.
Oops, we are deeming passing undefined flags in "mask" undefined
behavior but not "flags", thus "wild software" may be relying on EINVAL
for invalid flags... We *might* make this new AT_xxx a bit in mask
instead of flags but it would be very dirty IMO.
> - you still need to convince libc developers to actually use
> the flag despite the backwards compatibility problem, either
> with a fallback to the current behavior or a version check.
Let me ping some libc developers then...
> Using the NULL path as a fallback would solve the problem with
> seccomp, but it would not make the normal case any faster.
But "wild software" may be relying on a EFAULT for NULL path too...
/* snip */
> >
> > Oops. I thought "newstat" should be using 64-bit time but it seems the
> > "new" is not what I'd expected... The "new" actually means "newer than
> > Linux 0.9"! :(
> >
> > Let's not use "new" in future syscall names...
>
> Right, we definitely can't ever succeed. On some architectures
> we even had "oldstat" and "stat" before "newstat" and "stat64",
> and on some architectures we mix them up. E.g. x86_64 has fstat()
> and fstatat64() with the same structure but doesn't define
> __NR_newfstat. On mips64, there is a 'newstat' but it has 32-bit
> timestamps unlike all other 64-bit architectures.
>
> statx() was intended to solve these problems once and for all,
> and it appears that we have failed again.
https://xkcd.com/927/ :(
--
Xi Ruoyao <xry111@xry111.site>
School of Aerospace Science and Technology, Xidian University
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2024-02-26 11:58 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 24+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2024-02-21 6:09 Chromium sandbox on LoongArch and statx -- seccomp deep argument inspection again? WANG Xuerui
2024-02-21 6:31 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-21 10:31 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-21 10:49 ` WANG Xuerui
2024-02-21 12:03 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-24 11:51 ` Huacai Chen
2024-02-25 6:51 ` Icenowy Zheng
2024-02-25 7:32 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-26 6:03 ` Icenowy Zheng
2024-02-26 6:56 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-02-26 7:09 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-26 9:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-02-26 11:57 ` Xi Ruoyao [this message]
2024-02-26 12:57 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 14:33 ` Rich Felker
2024-02-26 13:32 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 13:46 ` Arnd Bergmann
2024-02-26 15:40 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 16:49 ` Xi Ruoyao
2024-02-26 13:46 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 14:00 ` WANG Xuerui
2024-02-26 15:35 ` Christian Brauner
2024-02-26 17:38 ` WANG Xuerui
2024-02-26 8:26 ` Christian Brauner
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