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From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org>
To: Mathieu Desnoyers
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector
Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 15:47:20 +0100 (CET)	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.20.1711241541340.1757@nanos> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1589826840.21401.1511481874141.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>

On Fri, 24 Nov 2017, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
> ----- On Nov 23, 2017, at 6:38 PM, Thomas Gleixner tglx-hfZtesqFncYOwBW4kG4KsQ@public.gmane.org wrote:
> > You have to test for sys_rseq somewhere in the init code. So you can test
> > for the other two being fully functional as well.
> > 
> > If one of them is missing then you can avoid that rseq fastpath either
> > completely or because you never registered that rseq muck your rseq will
> > just contain stale init data which kicks you into some slowpath fallback
> > code.
> 
> That would work if we could have more than one rseq TLS entry per thread.
> If it would be the case, then e.g. lttng-ust could own its own rseq
> TLS and do just as you explain above.
> 
> It's not the case with the current proposal. This means multiple user
> libraries will have to share the same cpu_id and cpu_id_start fields,
> which breaks your proposed new-app/old-kernel backward compatibility
> check proposal.
> 
> For instance, if glibc librseq.so happily registers rseq (and does not
> care about testing for cpu_opv or membarrier availability), then
> lttng-ust cannot leave stale rseq init data which kicks in its slowpath
> fallback.

You have to make sure that _ALL_ prerequisites are there before you start
using it whether you have a shared rseq or not. If a setup has rseq working
and sysops are blocked by a stupid mistake in a security filter, then your
assumption of testing rseq alone is broken already and stuff will explode
in hard to debug ways.

You CANNOT make such assumptions ever. Robustness is the first thing to
look at and after that you can optimize the hell out of it, without
violating robustness while doing that.

Thanks,

	tglx

  parent reply	other threads:[~2017-11-24 14:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 66+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2017-11-21 14:18 [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 01/22] uapi headers: Provide types_32_64.h Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 02/22] rseq: Introduce restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 03/22] arm: Add restartable sequences support Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 04/22] arm: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found] ` <20171121141900.18471-1-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 14:18   ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 05/22] x86: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18   ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 06/22] x86: Wire up restartable sequence system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 22:19   ` [PATCH update for 4.15 1/3] selftests: lib.mk: Introduce OVERRIDE_TARGETS Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]     ` <20171121221933.25959-1-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 22:22       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 15:16       ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 22:19   ` [PATCH update for 4.15 2/3] cpu_opv: selftests: Implement selftests (v4) Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]     ` <20171121221933.25959-2-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 15:20       ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 07/22] powerpc: Add support for restartable sequences Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 08/22] powerpc: Wire up restartable sequences system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 09/22] sched: Implement push_task_to_cpu Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v4 10/22] cpu_opv: Provide cpu_opv system call Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 11/22] x86: Wire up " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 12/22] powerpc: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 13/22] arm: " Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v3 14/22] cpu_opv: selftests: Implement selftests Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <20171121141900.18471-15-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 15:17     ` Shuah Khan
     [not found]       ` <c311cd4b-4d8f-bfb5-3731-2cb2eefa4865-DgEjT+Ai2ygdnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 16:46         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v3 15/22] rseq: selftests: Provide self-tests Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <20171121141900.18471-16-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 15:34     ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 17:05       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 17:40         ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 21:22           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]             ` <911090321.19621.1511299340968.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 21:24               ` Shuah Khan
     [not found]                 ` <d059d29d-83a7-f16d-dc84-05a4609a3479-JPH+aEBZ4P+UEJcrhfAQsw@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 21:44                   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 19:38     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]       ` <20171122193821.GJ3165-IIpfhp3q70x9+YH6RuovlLjjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 21:16         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 21:48     ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]       ` <20171122214813.GK3165-IIpfhp3q70x9+YH6RuovlLjjLBE8jN/0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 22:53         ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23  8:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]     ` <20171123085511.ohwuobf5v32vggho-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23  8:57       ` Peter Zijlstra
     [not found]         ` <20171123085721.bzburngdsatgewjo-Nxj+rRp3nVydTX5a5knrm8zTDFooKrT+cvkQGrU6aU0@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-24 14:15           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-24 13:55       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 16/22] rseq: selftests: arm: workaround gcc asm size guess Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <20171121141900.18471-17-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 15:39     ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 17/22] Fix: membarrier: add missing preempt off around smp_call_function_many Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 18/22] membarrier: selftest: Test private expedited cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v7 19/22] powerpc: membarrier: Skip memory barrier in switch_mm() Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v5 20/22] membarrier: Document scheduler barrier requirements Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:18 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v2 21/22] membarrier: provide SHARED_EXPEDITED command Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 14:19 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 22/22] membarrier: selftest: Test shared expedited cmd Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-21 17:21 ` [RFC PATCH for 4.15 v12 00/22] Restartable sequences and CPU op vector Andi Kleen
     [not found]   ` <20171121172144.GL2482-1g7Xle2YJi4/4alezvVtWx2eb7JE58TQ@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 22:05     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-22 15:28       ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]         ` <CALCETrX84s-WEa5osP0t6CKh8C4Wj7-ARNMpaSp8Eop1_2ycLA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 16:43           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]             ` <718035530.20074.1511369023901.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 18:10               ` Andi Kleen
     [not found]       ` <740195164.19702.1511301908907.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-21 22:59         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 12:36           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]             ` <809252084.19901.1511354219731.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 15:25               ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-22 19:32         ` Peter Zijlstra
2017-11-22 19:37           ` Will Deacon
     [not found]             ` <20171122193734.GO22648-5wv7dgnIgG8@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 21:15               ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                 ` <165707648.21250.1511471721845.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 22:51                   ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-23 23:01                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                       ` <739755311.21380.1511478071883.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-23 23:38                         ` Thomas Gleixner
2017-11-24  0:04                           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]                             ` <1589826840.21401.1511481874141.JavaMail.zimbra-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-24 14:47                               ` Thomas Gleixner [this message]
2017-11-23 21:13           ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2017-11-23 21:49             ` Andi Kleen
2017-11-21 22:19 ` [PATCH update for 4.15 3/3] rseq: selftests: Provide self-tests (v4) Mathieu Desnoyers
     [not found]   ` <20171121221933.25959-3-mathieu.desnoyers-vg+e7yoeK/dWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>
2017-11-22 15:23     ` Shuah Khan
2017-11-22 16:31       ` Mathieu Desnoyers

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