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From: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Nick Piggin <npiggin@suse.de>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@linux.vnet.ibm.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <a.p.zijlstra@chello.nl>,
	Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>,
	Suresh Siddha <suresh.b.siddha@intel.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@elte.hu>,
	Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arch@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Q: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many())
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 17:47:20 +1100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1235026040.8805.3.camel@pasglop> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.00.0902180744520.21686@localhost.localdomain>


> It might hide some architecture-specific implementation issue, of course, 
> so random amounts of "smp_mb()"s sprinkled around might well make some 
> architecture "work", but it's in no way guaranteed. A smp_mb() does not 
> guarantee that some separate IPI network is ordered - that may well take 
> some random machine-specific IO cycle.
> 
> That said, at least on x86, taking an interrupt should be a serializing 
> event, so there should be no reason for anything on the receiving side. 
> The _sending_ side might need to make sure that there is serialization 
> when generating the IPI (so that the IPI cannot happen while the writes 
> are still in some per-CPU write buffer and haven't become part of the 
> cache coherency domain).
> 
> And at least on x86 it's actually pretty hard to generate out-of-order 
> accesses to begin with (_regardless_ of any issues external to the CPU). 
> You have to work at it, and use a WC memory area, and I'm pretty sure we 
> use UC for the apic accesses.

On powerpc, I suspect an smp_mb() on the sender would be useful... it
mostly depends how the IPI is generated but in most case it's going to
be an MMIO write, ie non-cached write which isn't ordered vs. any
previous cached store except using a full sync (which is what smp_mb()
does).

Cheers,
Ben.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2009-02-19  6:49 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 49+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2009-02-17 11:26                   ` Q: smp.c && barriers (Was: [PATCH 1/4] generic-smp: remove single ipi fallback for smp_call_function_many()) Nick Piggin
2009-02-17 11:48                     ` Peter Zijlstra
2009-02-17 15:51                     ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-18  2:15                       ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18  2:40                         ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 19:28                     ` Q: " Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 21:32                       ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-17 21:45                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2009-02-17 22:39                           ` Paul E. McKenney
2009-02-18 13:52                             ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-18 16:09                               ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:21                                 ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 16:21                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 16:33                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:58                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:05                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:10                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:17                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 17:23                                             ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 17:14                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 17:47                                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 18:33                                           ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 16:37                                   ` Gleb Natapov
2009-02-19  0:12                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19  6:47                                 ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt [this message]
2009-02-19 13:11                                   ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19 13:11                                     ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19 15:06                                     ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 21:49                                       ` Benjamin Herrenschmidt
2009-02-18  2:21                     ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 13:59                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-18 16:19                         ` Linus Torvalds
2009-02-18 16:23                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 18:43                         ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-18 19:17                           ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-18 23:55                             ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-19 12:20                               ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 12:29                                 ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-19 12:45                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-19 22:00                                 ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-20 10:56                                   ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-20 18:56                                     ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-20 18:56                                       ` Suresh Siddha
2009-02-20 19:40                                       ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-20 23:28                                       ` Jack Steiner
2009-02-25  3:32                                       ` Nick Piggin
2009-02-25 12:47                                         ` Ingo Molnar
2009-02-25 18:25                                         ` Luck, Tony
2009-03-17 18:16                                         ` Suresh Siddha

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