From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCHv3 1/3] ARM: mm: allow sub-architectures to override PCI I/O memory type
Date: Thu, 15 May 2014 17:55:52 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <11787153.NWVGbVfAPV@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20140515153430.GM27594@arm.com>
On Thursday 15 May 2014 16:34:30 Will Deacon wrote:
> > The way I understand it, the CPU would continue with the next instruction
> > as soon as the write has made it out to the AXI fabric, i.e. before
> > the PIO instruction is complete.
>
> The CPU can continue regardless -- you'd need a DSB if you want to hold up
> the instruction stream based on completion of a memory access. With the
> posted write (device type), the write may complete as soon as it reaches an
> ordered bus.
>
> Note that nGnRnE accesses in AArch64 (the equivalent to strongly-ordered)
> *can* still get an early write response -- that is simply a hint to the
> memory subsystem.
>
> > If this is used to synchronize with a DMA, there is no guarantee that the
> > transaction from PCI will be visible in memory by then.
>
> Can you elaborate on this scenario please? When would we use an I/O space
> write to synchronise with a DMA transfer from a PCI endpoint? You're
> definitely referring to I/O space as opposed to Configuration Space, right?
Correct. Assume a PCI device uses PIO and DMA. It sends a DMA to main memory
and lets the CPU know about the data using a level (IntA as opposed to MSI)
interrupt. The CPU performs an outl() operation to an I/O port to let the
hardware know it has received the IRQ and the response of the outl() is
guaranteed to flush the DMA transaction: by the time the outl() completes
we know that the data in memory is valid because it is strongly ordered
relative to the DMA.
outl() actually does a dsb() internally, but unfortunately that is
before the store, not after, so I assume that a driver relying on the
behavior above would still be racy.
Note that there are very few drivers using any port I/O at all, so I
don't know if this is actually a real-world problem or not. They
might all be doing no DMA, or have an inb()/inw()/inl() after the
interrupt, which would always be sufficiently ordered with the DMA.
Arnd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2014-05-15 15:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 33+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-05-15 9:18 [PATCHv3 0/3] ARM: implement workaround for Cortex-A9/PL310/PCIe deadlock Thomas Petazzoni
2014-05-15 9:18 ` [PATCHv3 1/3] ARM: mm: allow sub-architectures to override PCI I/O memory type Thomas Petazzoni
2014-05-15 13:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 13:51 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-05-15 14:29 ` Will Deacon
2014-05-15 14:32 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 15:34 ` Will Deacon
2014-05-15 15:55 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2014-05-16 9:53 ` Will Deacon
2014-05-19 13:19 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-19 14:23 ` Will Deacon
2014-05-19 16:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-19 16:50 ` Will Deacon
2014-05-19 17:04 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-21 5:20 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-05-21 8:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 17:53 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-05-16 9:57 ` Will Deacon
2014-05-16 15:33 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2014-05-15 9:18 ` [PATCHv3 2/3] ARM: mm: add support for HW coherent systems in PL310 Thomas Petazzoni
2014-05-15 9:36 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-05-15 11:39 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-05-15 13:23 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 13:35 ` Rob Herring
2014-05-15 13:46 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-05-15 9:18 ` [PATCHv3 3/3] ARM: mvebu: implement L2/PCIe deadlock workaround Thomas Petazzoni
2014-05-15 9:36 ` Catalin Marinas
2014-05-15 13:21 ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-15 13:50 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-05-15 15:31 ` Jason Cooper
2014-05-16 7:19 ` Thomas Petazzoni
2014-05-15 13:26 ` Arnd Bergmann
2014-05-15 14:22 ` Thomas Petazzoni
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