From: arnd@arndb.de (Arnd Bergmann)
To: linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org
Subject: [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:08:11 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <17844053.vZiPCu4un3@wuerfel> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AC03A80E-49F8-4A08-9DDA-0B9F8B734F51@theobroma-systems.com>
On Tuesday 14 April 2015 11:33:13 Dr. Philipp Tomsich wrote:
> Arnd,
>
> After getting a good night?s sleep, the ?reuse the existing system call table? comment
> makes a little more sense as I construe it as having just one merged system call table
> for both LP64 and ILP32 and handling the differences through a different system call
> numbering in unistd.h towards LP64 and ILP32 processes.
>
> If this is the intended implementation, I am not fully sold on the benefit: having a private
> copy of unistd.h for ARM64 seems to be a less readable and less maintenance-friendly
> solution to having separate tables.
>
> We?re open to input on this and?if merging the system call tables is the consensus?
> would like to get the change underway as soon as possible.
There are multiple ways of doing this:
a) separate syscall table for arm64: as you say, this is the current approach,
and I'd like to avoid that too
b) add syscalls for ilp32 as additional numbers in the normal lp64 version of
asm-generic/unistd.h, and share the binary tables between ilp32 and lp64
on aarch64
c) change asm-generic/unistd.h to generate three possible tables: instead of
just native (lp64 or ilp32 depending on the arch), compat (support for
existing ilp32 binaries on some architectures, there would also be a
"modern" ilp32 variant that is a mix of the two, as your table today
d) don't use the asm-generic/unistd.h table for aarch64-ilp32 at all, but instead
reuse the table from arch/arm64/include/asm/unistd32.h
I think you are referring to approach b) or c) above, but my preferred one
would actually be d).
> > On 14 Apr 2015, at 00:58, Dr. Philipp Tomsich <philipp.tomsich@theobroma-systems.com> wrote:
> >
> >> 2. The ABI follows what x86 has their "x32" ABI. This never saw a lot of
> >> adoption and in retrospect the decision to have separate system calls seems
> >> to not have helped them. My feeling now is that if we add support for the
> >> ARM64 ILP32 ELF ABI, we should better stick to the existing system call ABI
> >> as close as possible and reuse the existing system call table. I realize
> >> that this is a bit controversial, but please let's talk about this now.
> >
> > I see benefits and drawback to merging the system tables. Our philosophy is
> > already somewhat different from x32 and from the original patch-series, as you
> > can see from the changes dealing with stack_t in the ?sys_rt_sigreturn' and
> > ?setup_rt_frame? functions. While these could have been duplicated and
> > specialized for each ABI (as on x32), the attempt was made to keep these
> > changes localized.
> >
> > However, this approach can not always work: if you consider cases like
> > ?sys_msgsnd? and ?compat_sys_msgsnd?, there?s little to no benefit in having
> > just a ?aarch64_sys_msgsnd?, which then calls either the LP64 or the compat
> > version of the underlying system call. Having a second system call table
> > helps to reduce the overheads in this case and keeps things readable.
> >
> > This comes down to the fact, that a few calls will always be different due to
> > historical baggage in data structures shared between userspace and kernel:
> > 'struct msgbuf? immediatly comes to mind.
> >
> > I would liken the situation with ARM64 more of MIPS64 with its 64bit ABI and
> > its n32 ABI than to x32? but even there it?s two separate system call tables
> > (although sequentially concatenated).
> >
> > In other words: I fail to see the benefit from keeping the existing table.
> > I you elaborate on how such a solution should look, I might be better able
> > to follow.
I mainly want to avoid accidentally creating new ABIs for syscalls and ioctls:
we have many drivers that today use ioctls with data structures derived from
'__kernel_ulong_t' in some form, often by including a timespec or time_t in
their own data structures. These are almost all broken today, because the
data structures are a mix of the aarch32 and aarch64 variants, while the
ioctl() system call in ilp32 always uses the aarch32 format by default.
An example here would be
struct cyclades_idle_stats {
__kernel_time_t in_use; /* Time device has been in use (secs) */
__kernel_time_t recv_idle; /* Time since last char received (secs) */
__kernel_time_t xmit_idle; /* Time since last char transmitted (secs) */
unsigned long recv_bytes; /* Bytes received */
unsigned long xmit_bytes; /* Bytes transmitted */
unsigned long overruns; /* Input overruns */
unsigned long frame_errs; /* Input framing errors */
unsigned long parity_errs; /* Input parity errors */
};
for a random ancient driver. Introducing a third set of data structures
and syscalls for aarch64-ilp32 means that any driver doing something like
this needs to be modified to support existing user space source code.
If we stick to the normal compat32 implementation for all data structures
and syscalls, we can support all drivers that work with aarch32 emulation
today, as well as any one that gains support later on a regular compat32
architecture (x86, powerpc, sparc, mips, arm, tile, parisc, s390), and
we don't have to watch all new ioctl interfaces that get added to the
kernel. Note that this does not just impact ioctl, but also things like
setsockopts and drivers that communicate with user space through a
mmapped data structure.
Using that existing table would also make it much easier to add support
for additional C libraries, which then just have to implement the ELF
format, but could reuse the arm32 kernel interfaces.
Finally, there is a certain set of security issues from each new syscall
we introduce. With the aarch32 syscall table, we have a higher degree
of reuse of existing code, so we won't introduce security bugs that
are only in one of the two ilp32 ABIs (aarch32 and aarch64).
One notable downside of this is that all system calls have to pass 64-bit
arguments (i.e. loff_t) in two registers instead of one, to match the
aarch32 calling conventions, but that would be limited to a small part
of the libc implementation that already does the same thing for arm32.
Arnd
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-04-14 10:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 79+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-04-13 19:44 [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 01/24] arm64:ilp32: add documentation on the ILP32 ABI " Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 02/24] arm64: ensure the kernel is compiled for LP64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 03/24] arm64: rename COMPAT to AARCH32_EL0 in Kconfig Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 04/24] arm64: change some CONFIG_COMPAT over to use CONFIG_AARCH32_EL0 instead Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 05/24] arm64:ilp32: expose 'kernel_long' as 'long long' for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 06/24] arm64:uapi: set __BITS_PER_LONG correctly for ILP32 and LP64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 07/24] arm64:ilp32: share signal structures between ILP32 and LP64 ABIs Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 08/24] arm64:ilp32: use 64bit syscall-names for ILP32 when passing 64bit registers Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 09/24] arm64:ilp32: use non-compat syscall names for ILP32 as for LP64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 10/24] arm64: introduce is_a32_task and is_a32_thread (for AArch32 compat) Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 11/24] arm64:ilp32: add is_ilp32_compat_{task, thread} and TIF_32BIT_AARCH64 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 12/24] arm64:ilp32: COMPAT_USE_64BIT_TIME is true for ILP32 tasks Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 13/24] arm64:ilp32: share HWCAP between LP64 and ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 14/24] arm64:ilp32 use the native LP64 'start_thread' for ILP32 threads Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 15/24] arm64:ilp32: support core dump generation for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 16/24] arm64: add support for starting ILP32 (ELFCLASS32) binaries Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 17/24] arm64:ilp32: add vdso-ilp32 and use for signal return Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 18/24] ptrace: Allow compat to use the native siginfo Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 19/24] arm64:ilp32: add sys_ilp32.c and a separate table (in entry.S) to use it Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 20/24] arm64:ilp32: use compat-syscalls for msgsnd and msgrcv for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 21/24] arm64:ilp32: use the native siginfo instead of the compat siginfo Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 22/24] arm64:ilp32: use compat for stack_t Philipp Tomsich
2015-05-05 0:03 ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 23/24] arm64:ilp32: change COMPAT_ELF_PLATFORM to report a a subplatform for ILP32 Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 19:44 ` [PATCH v4 24/24] arm64:ilp32: add ARM64_ILP32 to Kconfig Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-13 21:01 ` [PATCH v4 00/24] ILP32 for ARM64 Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-13 22:58 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 9:33 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 10:08 ` Arnd Bergmann [this message]
2015-04-14 10:45 ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-14 11:14 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 11:50 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 14:07 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 14:54 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 12:25 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 15:00 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 22:28 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 9:18 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 10:01 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 15:15 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 15:38 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 17:01 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 17:22 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 22:25 ` Alexander Graf
2015-04-16 11:03 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 11:19 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-16 11:33 ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-16 13:31 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-16 15:21 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17 9:01 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-17 13:17 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17 14:06 ` Alexander Graf
2015-04-17 14:46 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-17 15:15 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-18 19:24 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-04 10:29 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-04 10:32 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-05-04 14:43 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-05-05 13:11 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-17 15:49 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-20 15:56 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-20 17:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-20 14:37 ` Zhangjian (Bamvor)
2015-04-16 14:27 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 11:51 ` Pinski, Andrew
2015-04-14 14:56 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 13:38 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 14:47 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 15:29 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-14 16:55 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 10:31 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 12:47 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 12:42 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-14 15:44 ` Arnd Bergmann
2015-04-15 11:22 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-15 11:50 ` Dr. Philipp Tomsich
2015-04-15 15:49 ` Catalin Marinas
2015-04-14 9:40 ` Arnd Bergmann
Reply instructions:
You may reply publicly to this message via plain-text email
using any one of the following methods:
* Save the following mbox file, import it into your mail client,
and reply-to-all from there: mbox
Avoid top-posting and favor interleaved quoting:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posting_style#Interleaved_style
* Reply using the --to, --cc, and --in-reply-to
switches of git-send-email(1):
git send-email \
--in-reply-to=17844053.vZiPCu4un3@wuerfel \
--to=arnd@arndb.de \
--cc=linux-arm-kernel@lists.infradead.org \
/path/to/YOUR_REPLY
https://kernel.org/pub/software/scm/git/docs/git-send-email.html
* If your mail client supports setting the In-Reply-To header
via mailto: links, try the mailto: link
Be sure your reply has a Subject: header at the top and a blank line
before the message body.
This is a public inbox, see mirroring instructions
for how to clone and mirror all data and code used for this inbox