From: Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@kernel.org>
To: Yeoreum Yun <yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
Cc: linux-integrity@vger.kernel.org, keyrings@vger.kernel.org,
Sudeep Holla <sudeep.holla@kernel.org>,
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Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH 2/3] firmware: arm_ffa: initialise ff-a after finalising pKVM initialisation
Date: Tue, 5 May 2026 15:39:27 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260505-super-gecko-of-argument-655030@sudeepholla> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260505095409.1948371-3-yeoreum.yun@arm.com>
On Tue, May 05, 2026 at 10:54:08AM +0100, Yeoreum Yun wrote:
> When pKVM is enabled, the FF-A driver must be initialised after pKVM.
> Otherwise, pKVM cannot negotiate the FF-A version or obtain the RX/TX
> buffer information, leading to failures in FF-A calls.
>
> Currently, pKVM initialisation completes at device_initcall_sync,
> while ffa_init() runs at the device_initcall level.
>
> So far, linker deployes kvm_arm_init() before ffa_init(), and SMCs can
> still be trapped even before finalise_pkvm() is invoked.
> As a result, this issue has not been observed.
>
> However, relying on above stuff is fragile.
> Therefore, when pKVM is enabled, the FF-A infrastructure should be
> initialised only after pKVM initialisation has been fully finalised.
>
> To achieve this, introduce an ffa_root_dev ("arm-ffa") and
> a corresponding driver to defer initialisation of the FF-A infrastructure
> until pKVM initialisation is complete, and to defer probing of all FF-A devices until then
> when pKVM is enabled.
>
I don't like this whole ffa root device design.
Two question for now:
1. Can FF-A be a module on systems with pKVM which removes the need for all
this dance done here ?
2. If it is a requirement to have this built-in, I prefer to add a probe
and defer it instead of this root ffa device.
--
Regards,
Sudeep
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-05-05 14:39 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-05-05 9:54 [RFC PATCH 0/3] initalise ff-a after finalising pKVM Yeoreum Yun
2026-05-05 9:54 ` [RFC PATCH 1/3] arm64: KVM: defer kvm_init() to finalise_pkvm() when pKVM is enabled Yeoreum Yun
2026-05-05 9:54 ` [RFC PATCH 2/3] firmware: arm_ffa: initialise ff-a after finalising pKVM initialisation Yeoreum Yun
2026-05-05 14:39 ` Sudeep Holla [this message]
2026-05-05 15:06 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-05-05 16:32 ` Sudeep Holla
2026-05-05 16:58 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-05-05 9:54 ` [RFC PATCH 3/3] security: integrity: call load_uefi_certs() at late_initcall_sync Yeoreum Yun
2026-05-05 10:45 ` [RFC PATCH 0/3] initalise ff-a after finalising pKVM Ben Horgan
2026-05-05 10:51 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-05-05 11:16 ` Yeoreum Yun
2026-05-05 11:24 ` Ben Horgan
2026-05-05 11:33 ` Yeoreum Yun
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